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Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 08:16

We are in a unique and dangerous time in history. We are potentially on the cusp of a world war and climate chaos has started and will get worse. Children are growing up in poverty, public services that we rely on are struggling. There is much that needs attention to give us safety, stability and better life chances.

Today we are choosing who we want to lead us through the dangerous seas ahead and to try and improve our lives.

AIBU to ask you to consider;

Reflecting on your reasons for voting one way or another? Is it driven by feelings or facts? Is it a knee jerk decision based on a headline or a carefully thought choice based on research or somewhere inbetween?

Reminding yourself that the way to solve, minimise or survive the above issues will be complex and slow so anyone promising one quick solution is lying.

Russia are trying to create division and instability and are using SM to do this. Many politicians resort to whipping up fear, anger or other emotions to get you to vote for them. Look out for any information that looks too good to be true or seems to be trying to make you angry - consider fact checking it.

If you are thinking of voting for a party as a protest vote then please reconsider. Your voice is unlikely to be heard and you will still have to live with any consequences. Spoiling your paper is better than voting in a party you don’t really want at the helm.

Checking that it’s your head and not your heart making the decision.

Working class men, and then women, all fought a long hard battle to give everyone the chance to vote. Democracy is a great thing and we all have a duty to use it responsibly, especially now as we all stand at this particularly perilous point in history.

I know IAB a bit U posting this here as it’s not really an AIBU but I’m hoping I’m forgiven. Long time poster (darked on washing, Mexican house thief are in my memory bank). I’m not a Russian bot and I did my postal vote already. I’m a mum and worried about the future. I want the best for us all.

Happy voting day everyone whoever you decide to vote on. I’m so glad we all get a chance to. 😊

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Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 10:09

BeachParty · 04/07/2024 09:25

"Don't panic, don't PANIC!"

<runs around MN flapping arms>

😁

😂😂😂

I’m not panicking - honestly. Just taking it seriously and am genuinely concerned about the future for DC and for good reasons. But lots to to be grateful for and look forward to as well. I’m just feeling the weight of this election more than previous ones.

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Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 10:06

godmum56 · 04/07/2024 09:52

While I think the OP is being OTT I do agree with the basic concept. Politics is not entertainment. Do your due diligence, read the manifestos and use the fact check facilities. Give using your vote as much attention as you would if you were making an expensive purchase. If there is nobody you feel you can vote for in your constituency then say so on your ballot paper....and as my Dad used to say "If you don't vote, don't moan." steps down off soapbox.

If you don’t vote, don’t moan is a great quote.

Apologies if my OP sounded OTT but my points stand and my concerns aren’t plucked from nowhere. I’m not prone to be over anxious. But glad you agree in general about the principle of it being serious.

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Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 10:04

BeachParty · 04/07/2024 09:22

We are in a unique and dangerous time in history. We are potentially on the cusp of a world war and climate chaos has started and will get worse

Well, aren't you a little ray of sunshine as I sit here opening MN whilst eating my toast. 🙄😁
I'll be off out to vote in a bit, in the hope we get to boot this lot out and that we at least get a chance of a change of scenery and some fresh air in politics tomorrow.
No point in doom and glooming and scare mongering

So sorry to doom all over your toast. Didn’t intend too. I’ve made you a cup of apology tea ☕️

I’m actually quite optimistic about humans generally but am just feeling weight of this election. The threats I mention are real and the issues do exist. But it is positive that this is our chance to give ourselves the best shot at a better future for us and our DC and that’s a positive thing. We have a vote! Hurrah!

Glad you have decided and enjoy your day. 😊

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Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:59

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 04/07/2024 09:17

Another Trump term is a far bigger threat to world stability than Putin, and not because he's likely to go invading anywhere, but because his ignorance, indifference, and (if you believe some of the more outlandish stuff) contrivance with Putin leaves certain countries and territories far more vulnerable to Putin's machinations than they otherwise would be with a cohesive, determined NATO still intact.

About the only place Putin could realistically go after the conflict in Ukraine is resolved one way or another is the Baltic States, but unfortunately for him all three are paid-up, longstanding NATO members, so if he picks a fight with them, he's picking a fight with the entirety of NATO, and as he's already well aware, the Russian military has had it's pants pulled down by a nation a fraction of Russia's size already, and is in no state whatsoever to be getting into a conflict with any sort of serious adversary any time soon.

That changes if NATO falls apart at the seams, and the only thing likely to make that happen is the corpulent orange American idiot.

I agree with all of that and hopefully NATO will be a deterrent to him but he’s towards the end of his life, he’s a psychopath and I’m not sure he will make sensible rational decisions - but I’m no expert.

Climate change as an additional threat is the reason I’m more concerned and feel the weight of this election more than before. It’s the whole of it coupled with dire poverty, public services struggling etc. There is so much that needs attention.

I want to make sure I make a decision based on who I think will handle that best and I don’t want to be pushed into that decision by game playing manipulating politicians, or SM hyperbole and interference. I want to make the most informed decision possible (well wanted to as I voted already), and I felt the weight of that this year more than ever.

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godmum56 · 04/07/2024 09:52

While I think the OP is being OTT I do agree with the basic concept. Politics is not entertainment. Do your due diligence, read the manifestos and use the fact check facilities. Give using your vote as much attention as you would if you were making an expensive purchase. If there is nobody you feel you can vote for in your constituency then say so on your ballot paper....and as my Dad used to say "If you don't vote, don't moan." steps down off soapbox.

Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:50

LunaNorth · 04/07/2024 09:06

Thought so.

I’ve emailed the Labour candidate, as I said. No reply. I’ve also taken down a Reform poster from my street.

That’s the sum total of my political activity in this election. I’ll just have to continue the fight for women once Labour are in.

They get counted and reported on. 0.3% spoiled last election I think. A big rise might make headlines. I don’t know though.

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Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:49

RubySloth · 04/07/2024 08:57

I'm literally stuck but I find it's not the first time I've been in this position; I didn't particularly like David Cameron nor Ed Miliband etc.

Maybe it's as I'm getting older and taking more notice of current events but I find myself overthinking it.

We have Labour who will make it easier to be a female (yes, I know Tories haven't nipped it in the bud either)

They will recognise Palestine, they haven't let their citizens vote since 2005. Don't get me wrong, it deserves to be a recognised but not under its current circumstances.

Publicly owned services like energy/ rail - anything publicly run is crap and expensive.

Zero hours contracts being banned is a good idea though.

Then there's the Tories... its not been the greatest the last few years especially with world events like covid/ war that has plunged us further into debt and made COL horrendous. It's hard to judge the real ability because if Labour was running the country then, everyone would be voting Tory under the same circumstances.

Tories- Childcare being unbelievably expensive. High taxes etc have crippled families. Run by someone who was also fined for breaking covid rules. Rwanda mess up, Hs2 cock up and I'm sure there's more.

We need a party more than ever that will protect women's rights, get more people secure well paid jobs and to stop UC plugging the gap- its not great that employers aren't paying a living wage/hours and you need 2 people working full-time to live a mediocre lifestyle. Mental health crisis also needs sorting .. how, I don't know!

Anyway I'm still stuck as I feel no party is offering any solutions to my concerns. I think we will have another election in 2 years to be honest, as no one actually seems happy with the choices.

I think as I get more years life experience behind me I see the grey areas more too and whilst I’d love a party that ticked all the boxes for my particular values, I have come to realise that’s just not going to happen (unless I start one myself which quite frankly is beyond me). I just had to decide on my top three most important things and see which fit the best. I also took into account the local situation and who is most likely to get a seat.

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parkrun500club · 04/07/2024 09:48

tennesseewhiskey1 · 04/07/2024 09:39

Ffs can you not just trust us as adults to already be asking these questions?! Honestly it’s so god damn irritating to have random people to ask you to rethink or reflect - we’re not stupid. We do research. Let us vote for who we want to.

Lots of people are stupid though. They do vote on tribal lines. They've never looked at a manifesto and then they go in and vote for Reform because they think they're different. Well, they are, but not in a good way!

parkrun500club · 04/07/2024 09:47

I would say:

Please use your vote.

Please don't vote on tribal lines.

Please read the manifestos and think about voting for policy.

BUT also think tactically, given our first past the post system.

itsnotabouthepasta · 04/07/2024 09:46

I've voted labour for the first time ever, essentially by flipping a coin.

Politically, I would describe myself as a lib dem and while I do support a lot of their policies, their obsession with womens rights led me away. Now I don't think that labour are much better (hence the coin flip) but I think that the fence sitting is much better than the green/lib dem approach, and things can be tempered much more. I also think that there are some really good named labour candidates, whereas I can't actually name any decent lib dem candidates.

Voting labour also ended up a tactical vote to get rid of the Tories.

But I do feel very much like I've been asked to choose whether I want to cut my arm off, or my leg off - I can't remember the last time I voted when I ACTUALLY believed in the candidate. My last two GE votes have been for the independent candidate purely so I could have the right to bitch and moan

Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:45

gardenmusic · 04/07/2024 08:57

Well, that's me patronised for the day.

Apologies. Didn’t mean to come off as patronising. That wasn’t my intention or how I feel. I am just utterly sick of the way we are manipulated and that we have to be so attuned to it. I am just feeling the weight of the choice this year more than ever before.

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Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:40

Beekeepingmum · 04/07/2024 08:53

This is the conservative message change is scary blah blah blah. Just because someone quotes mexican house thief doesn't stop them being a bot, in fact it is exactly what a BOT would. Several of the items you describe our services going to pot, children growing up in poverty are caused by the government. I'll be making a positive vote for change.

Honestly it’s not. I don’t think no change is always the least scary option and in terms of a government with a long track record, my firm belief is judge them by their actions. Have they done a good job in your eyes? Past behaviour is the best prediction of future behaviour.

Another poster called me Kier 😂

I am deliberately not sharing my preference on this thread. I just genuinely want us all (me included) to step away from the hyperbole, the emotion raising statements, the slagging off the other parties, the biased headlines, the interference and if I had a slogan it would be ‘make politics boring again!’

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tennesseewhiskey1 · 04/07/2024 09:39

Ffs can you not just trust us as adults to already be asking these questions?! Honestly it’s so god damn irritating to have random people to ask you to rethink or reflect - we’re not stupid. We do research. Let us vote for who we want to.

KimberleyClark · 04/07/2024 09:39

Hermittrismegistus · 04/07/2024 08:22

I see very little difference between Cons/lab/libdems.

I'll be voting for the Party of Women.

We have no Party of Women candidate where I live. Are they only standing in London/ South East? Genuinely interested to know.

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 09:38

Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:28

I’m not sure who you are agreeing with there but it’s not me. I haven’t said that.

I know. Are you another turkey voting for Christmas?? 😳

Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:35

LunaNorth · 04/07/2024 08:47

What’s the point?

Genuine question. What happens to spoilt ballot papers? Are they somehow taken into account, or is it just a symbolic act that nobody but myself will be aware of?

The percentage of spoiled ballot papers is available from previous elections so a surge in the numbers might make headlines I guess.

I wasn’t 100% happy with any manifesto so I went with the best fit for my top few concerns/hopes. I had to let some things go.

If you don’t feel you can do that then I think a spoiled paper gets your voice heard more than abstaining but that’s my opinion rather than fact.

I feel gutted though that you don’t feel able to vote for anyone (as many have said in other threads).

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Jackette · 04/07/2024 09:34

@Hummingbird75 it is directly linked to the maternal age of Mothers, thrombosis is the biggest killer of expectant Mothers. Most likely to occur in. Women over 30 and women that are overweight. Which also links to the poorer outcomes for women from certain ethnic minority groups and poverty levels.

AnOpinionInTheHand · 04/07/2024 09:32

Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:09

😂😂 I’m not Kier. I’m a boring middle aged, perimenopausal mum who has a day off work and can’t muster up the energy to do the gardening - too much weeding and nothing is bloody growing so this is mire appealing.

Some have said I’m a Russian bot or trying to keep the current lot in.

I am just genuinely feeling the weight of this election heavily and wanting us all to step away from the ridiculous game playing, hyperbole and interference and connect with the task at hand fully and as informed as possible. We can’t rely on the newspaper headlines or SM to be completely honest. We have to do our own research.

If you want to move away from hyperbole you could start with your own OP.

BeachParty · 04/07/2024 09:29

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 09:26

Not some much fresh air as hot air my friend!
And a fucking enormous tax bill to boot, so enjoy that last slice of toast whilst you still have the means to eat it!

Yawn
Because we're so brilliantly off in the position to buy bread and essentials at the minute as we are, matey doo (seeing as we're getting familiar, pal)

Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:28

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 08:42

I agree we are much safer with the conservatives when it comes to national security, and we are in a perilous position in the world with Russia, China and the ME.

I will be voting for the party of women and girls, the conservatives.

I’m not sure who you are agreeing with there but it’s not me. I haven’t said that.

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Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:27

Fink · 04/07/2024 08:41

YABU to think that a post like the OP would influence anyone's vote, especially from a stranger. Some people will agree with you, others won't, others will agree in part, but I don't think anyone at all will change the way they were intending to vote, or make their mind up if they were undecided because of a post like that.

YU also BU to think that this is a 'unique and dangerous' time in history, except insofar as every time is unique (unless you believe in a cyclical universe) and dangerous. Have you not studied history at all?

YABU to write in such a patronising tone to other adults.

And finally, YABU to claim as though it were a fact that a protest vote is a waste of a vote and that spoiling your paper would be preferable. That very much depends on the individual constituency dynamics and which party the protest vote is for.

So, all in all: yes, YABU to post this. And not just because it's a fake IABU.

Thank you for your feedback. I am genuinely sorry if I come across as patronising- that wasn’t my intention.

I stand by my view that this election weighs heavier on me than others. Climate change has never been such a current and significant threat as it is now and I do think that this, added to the risk of war and the current state of public services is going to put more and more of us at risk and continue to reduce our chances in life.

I also stand by my view that a spoiled paper is better than trying to vote in a party you don’t actually want as a protest as we all then have to live with the consequences.

I think, now, more than ever in my 30+ years of voting, this election feels utterly pivotal and I feel that weight. I genuinely don’t know which party will be better, I am clear about the ones that I believe will make things worse. It does feel like my decision was made with more gravitas than previous years. Previous years I didn’t feel this weight.

That’s fine if you disagree though.

Your comment ‘Have you not studied History at all?’ Was unnecessarily rude and far more patronising than anything I have written, however.

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Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 09:26

BeachParty · 04/07/2024 09:22

We are in a unique and dangerous time in history. We are potentially on the cusp of a world war and climate chaos has started and will get worse

Well, aren't you a little ray of sunshine as I sit here opening MN whilst eating my toast. 🙄😁
I'll be off out to vote in a bit, in the hope we get to boot this lot out and that we at least get a chance of a change of scenery and some fresh air in politics tomorrow.
No point in doom and glooming and scare mongering

Not some much fresh air as hot air my friend!
And a fucking enormous tax bill to boot, so enjoy that last slice of toast whilst you still have the means to eat it!

BeachParty · 04/07/2024 09:25

PortiasBiscuit · 04/07/2024 08:29

We’re doomed Mr Mannering, doomed!

"Don't panic, don't PANIC!"

<runs around MN flapping arms>

😁

BeachParty · 04/07/2024 09:22

We are in a unique and dangerous time in history. We are potentially on the cusp of a world war and climate chaos has started and will get worse

Well, aren't you a little ray of sunshine as I sit here opening MN whilst eating my toast. 🙄😁
I'll be off out to vote in a bit, in the hope we get to boot this lot out and that we at least get a chance of a change of scenery and some fresh air in politics tomorrow.
No point in doom and glooming and scare mongering

Ourfuturetheirfuture · 04/07/2024 09:18

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 04/07/2024 08:41

I can't get on board with this "on the precipice of armageddon" thing at all.

Having lived through the second half of the Cold War, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Iran/Iraq proxy war, various US interventions in Central America and the Middle East, the bombing of Libya, absolute mayhem in North Africa a few years ago, constant Israeli excursions into Lebanon, Isis causing mayhem in Syria and Iraq, Russian intervention in Syria, umpteen localised conflicts in the Caucasus, civil war and genocide in the former Yugoslavia, Zimbabwean bush wars, Angolan civil war, conflict in Sierra Leone, the Falklands fiasco, Rwandan genocide, Idi Amin, Che Guevara, the fact North Korea is still threatening to turn Seoul into a sheet of glass every couple of minutes, Pakistan and India waving nukes at each other, and sundry other squabbles and bun fights, the fact Putin has invaded Ukraine just feels like yet more of the same old, and I don't feel any where near as frightened about what comes next as I did in the 80's when the entirety of the Warsaw Pact was threatening to steamroll everything from Berlin to the Bay of Biscay.

Yes, all of that is true. And I’m not suggesting‘Armageddon’ but we have the addition of climate chaos added to all of that. We have never faced that kind of existential threat in my voting life. I don’t think my concern and my feeling the weight of this election is irrational. And I’m basing my views on solid stuff, not SM hyperbole. I’m not generally prone to be over anxious. I do have an irrational fear of large spiders though - full disclosure. 🕷️

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