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Whenwillitgetwarm · 2024-07-04T06:19:12+00:00

Please let today be Independence Day from the Tory regime. Never forget.

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 09:49

IfImOnFire · 04/07/2024 09:45

I am not sure we have forgotten the last time they crashed the economy, many of us are still paying the price.

Ha @Hummingbird75 - maybe some of us are remembering the more recent occasion of the Tories crashing the economy! My mortgage payment every month won't let me forget Truss, much as I'd like to.

Your mortgage would have gone up with or without Truss! It was the BoE easing off printing money then combined with an unexpected war in Ukraine, and the interest rates soaring. Seriously. You are giving this woman too much credit. This was all expected long before Truss came to power.

Ginisatonic · 04/07/2024 09:46

errjql · 04/07/2024 09:41

No party is the answer. But a large labour majority will send us down the shitter.

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Please be more specific about why a large Labour majority will, to quote your delightful turn of phrase, ‘send us down the shitter’.

The original OP states some of the bad things which the current conservative government have done. Specifically in what ways will a labour government be worse in your opinion?

Andthereitis · 04/07/2024 09:46

Whatafustercluck · 04/07/2024 09:45

You can't invest in public services with a weak economy. They have no money, so they're doing right by being cautious and not promising things they have no means of delivering. They're eyeing up a two-term government, with the first term focused on recovering the economy, and in the longer term being able to fix all the things that are wrong with the UK today. It's a perfectly sensible, and achievable, plan.

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Ah you've fell for the spin.

What steps and actions are they going to take to grow the economy?

Whatafustercluck · 04/07/2024 09:45

Andthereitis · 04/07/2024 08:50

We'll see what Labour plans to do to solve these problems. They sure as shit haven't told us in their manifesto beyond they're growing the economy.

What that looks like is anyone's guess.i don't think they know.

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You can't invest in public services with a weak economy. They have no money, so they're doing right by being cautious and not promising things they have no means of delivering. They're eyeing up a two-term government, with the first term focused on recovering the economy, and in the longer term being able to fix all the things that are wrong with the UK today. It's a perfectly sensible, and achievable, plan.

IfImOnFire · 04/07/2024 09:45

I am not sure we have forgotten the last time they crashed the economy, many of us are still paying the price.

Ha @Hummingbird75 - maybe some of us are remembering the more recent occasion of the Tories crashing the economy! My mortgage payment every month won't let me forget Truss, much as I'd like to.

Shennie100 · 04/07/2024 09:44

Already voted Reform. They seem to be the only people who know what a woman is.
It's a very low bar!

errjql · 04/07/2024 09:41

Ginisatonic · 04/07/2024 07:47

Please do tell us what the answer is.

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No party is the answer. But a large labour majority will send us down the shitter.

TheKeatingFive · 04/07/2024 09:39

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 09:34

Why is it a big concern? It's illegal to ask for a GRC and you don't have to prove you've got one. Only about 2 percent of Trans people bother, many used it to marry due to previous restrictions.

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Well yes, creating a situation where they're very easy to get and people are unsure of the legal ramifications of asking for them is going to make it really difficult for women to stand up for the boundaries they need - don't you agree?

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 09:34

TheKeatingFive · 04/07/2024 09:22

This is true.

But Labour are proposing to make the process of getting a GRC easier than it is now. And this is a big concern.

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Why is it a big concern? It's illegal to ask for a GRC and you don't have to prove you've got one. Only about 2 percent of Trans people bother, many used it to marry due to previous restrictions.

TheKeatingFive · 04/07/2024 09:22

Harrumphhhh · 04/07/2024 09:16

And yet, they’ve been in power for 14 years and demonstrably not protected women.

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This is true.

But Labour are proposing to make the process of getting a GRC easier than it is now. And this is a big concern.

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 09:18

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2024 09:16

Your voice does count.

But if people think you are wrong then so does theirs.

That's what a discussion board is.

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And I'm contributing to a discussion.

Harrumphhhh · 04/07/2024 09:18

wevegotarightonehere · 04/07/2024 09:14

Labour always promise so much, yet deliver so little. Which is why they're rarely in power for long.

If you're young though, I completely get why Labour would appeal to you.

This is one of the most patronising statements I’ve ever read. Do you not know many young people?

(and no, I definitely don’t identify as young)

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 09:18

Harrumphhhh · 04/07/2024 09:16

And yet, they’ve been in power for 14 years and demonstrably not protected women.

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I feel they have. The 30 hours of childcare has done wonders to help women back into work. The legislation they are now pushing through to protect single sex spaces will keep us safer.

I am sorry but Labour do not recognise us at all, so I am not sure how that helps anyone!

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 09:17

TheKeatingFive · 04/07/2024 09:12

Labour are changing this process to eliminate the two year wait and yes the person granting the certificate could be a GP. YOU wake up

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No they're not. Check out the manifesto, it's very clear. I just explained to you what the process will be under Labour.

You're just making stuff up to suit your agenda.

Harrumphhhh · 04/07/2024 09:16

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Previously banned poster.

And yet, they’ve been in power for 14 years and demonstrably not protected women.

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2024 09:16

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 09:15

Yet you don't care about other women who don't have a voice. Victims of rape who can't get justice in courts, women working full time being forced to use foodbanks, women who can't get a refuge space, women who can't access mental health services, women who can't get essential treatment, women forced into sex work because they're in absolute poverty, women who are carers and have no support.

Their voices don't count.

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Your voice does count.

But if people think you are wrong then so does theirs.

That's what a discussion board is.

TheKeatingFive · 04/07/2024 09:16

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 09:15

Yet you don't care about other women who don't have a voice. Victims of rape who can't get justice in courts, women working full time being forced to use foodbanks, women who can't get a refuge space, women who can't access mental health services, women who can't get essential treatment, women forced into sex work because they're in absolute poverty, women who are carers and have no support.

Their voices don't count.

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I am capable of caring about lots of things, ta

TheKeatingFive · 04/07/2024 09:16

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2024 09:14

And could even be one of those Online GPs. That have set themselves up after the GIDS was closed down.

Alot of people who have friends in the Labour Party are going to do very well out of this.

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Of course. Helen Webberley will be dishing them out like sweeties - side hustle for her trade in puberty blockers

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 09:15

TheKeatingFive · 04/07/2024 09:10

The likelihood of you coming across a transgender female in a “female space” is virtually 0.

I am capable of thinking beyond myself though. I am unlikely to end up in prison (fingers crossed). However the idea of women incarcerated with men is something that is wrong on every level and I could never condone that. These women tend not to have much of a voice in society and they need others to stand up for them.

Yet you don't care about other women who don't have a voice. Victims of rape who can't get justice in courts, women working full time being forced to use foodbanks, women who can't get a refuge space, women who can't access mental health services, women who can't get essential treatment, women forced into sex work because they're in absolute poverty, women who are carers and have no support.

Their voices don't count.

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2024 09:14

TheKeatingFive · 04/07/2024 09:12

Labour are changing this process to eliminate the two year wait and yes the person granting the certificate could be a GP. YOU wake up

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And could even be one of those Online GPs. That have set themselves up after the GIDS was closed down.

Alot of people who have friends in the Labour Party are going to do very well out of this.

wevegotarightonehere · 04/07/2024 09:14

Labour always promise so much, yet deliver so little. Which is why they're rarely in power for long.

If you're young though, I completely get why Labour would appeal to you.

TheKeatingFive · 04/07/2024 09:12

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 09:09

Under Labour, in order to qualify for a GRC you need to be diagnosed with dysphoria, wait two years, then see a gender specialist, not a GP.

Predators in prisons happened under the Tories. Trans ideology in schools happened under the Tories.

Wake up.

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Labour are changing this process to eliminate the two year wait and yes the person granting the certificate could be a GP. YOU wake up

TheKeatingFive · 04/07/2024 09:10

The likelihood of you coming across a transgender female in a “female space” is virtually 0.

I am capable of thinking beyond myself though. I am unlikely to end up in prison (fingers crossed). However the idea of women incarcerated with men is something that is wrong on every level and I could never condone that. These women tend not to have much of a voice in society and they need others to stand up for them.

Sourisblanche · 04/07/2024 09:10

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 09:09

Blair killed millions. I think given the choice, I would not be picking Blair for a rerun.

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Blair isn’t up for reelection though is he.

cantstandtheplace · 04/07/2024 09:09

Can't wait to see the back of them either and we can begin to slowly reverse the rot