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Whenwillitgetwarm · 2024-07-04T06:19:12+00:00

Please let today be Independence Day from the Tory regime. Never forget.

Underthinker · 04/07/2024 11:27

Catza · 04/07/2024 11:15

No, I’m asking the PP if her convictions apply across all scenarios or just the select few where she can clearly identify what the person’s bilogical sex is. Do you often insert yourself into a conversation without offering much in a way of value to the debate?
Please feel free to answer my previous question. I have a few follow up points I will be happy to explore together.

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You mentioned your friend's appearance so it was reasonable to conclude that you think appearance should be the key factor in access to spaces (which would actually exclude the majority of trans people who do not pass).

I think sex should be the determining factor in who can access single sex spaces.

KimberleyClark · 04/07/2024 11:24

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 11:22

The dictionary definition of swivel eyed.

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Reds under the bed.

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 11:22

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 11:19

80% of the party. Dark horses keeping quiet. Waiting for their moment. Do you suppose all the hard left just evaporated? Just like that! In a puff of smoke. Nope they are still all there, quiet as mice right now.

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The dictionary definition of swivel eyed.

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 11:20

DontBiteTheCat · 04/07/2024 11:18

Yes 😊

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Thought as much.

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 11:19

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 11:18

Back again. Who are the current hard left militants in the Labour party?

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80% of the party. Dark horses keeping quiet. Waiting for their moment. Do you suppose all the hard left just evaporated? Just like that! In a puff of smoke. Nope they are still all there, quiet as mice right now.

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 11:18

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 11:17

IF you are voting Labour are you ready for Angela Rayner to be PM?
With her hard left militants, because that is what is coming.

Back again. Who are the current hard left militants in the Labour party?

DontBiteTheCat · 04/07/2024 11:18

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 11:17

IF you are voting Labour are you ready for Angela Rayner to be PM?
With her hard left militants, because that is what is coming.

Yes 😊

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 11:17

IF you are voting Labour are you ready for Angela Rayner to be PM?
With her hard left militants, because that is what is coming.

Catza · 04/07/2024 11:15

Underthinker · 04/07/2024 11:04

Are you saying access to single sex spaces should be based on superficial appearance, and that gender non conforming people should not be allowed to use the services and spaces for their own sex?

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No, I’m asking the PP if her convictions apply across all scenarios or just the select few where she can clearly identify what the person’s bilogical sex is. Do you often insert yourself into a conversation without offering much in a way of value to the debate?
Please feel free to answer my previous question. I have a few follow up points I will be happy to explore together.

Underthinker · 04/07/2024 11:04

Catza · 04/07/2024 10:28

So you would be happy for my transgender friend to use female toilets and share a changing room with you even though he has mastectomy, genital reconstruction, facial and chest hair and deep voice. I’d love to see that happening.

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Are you saying access to single sex spaces should be based on superficial appearance, and that gender non conforming people should not be allowed to use the services and spaces for their own sex?

Humphriescushion · 04/07/2024 10:44

100 percent agree! Get the Tories out!

Wbeezer · 04/07/2024 10:37

I'm voting Labour even though I'm very disappointed by Keir Starmer saying no re-entry to EU or customs union in his lifetime, DH and I were hoping for something to help trade, we run a small niche manufacturing business which was growing nicely thanks to sales in Europe, it has now stopped growing and our retirement plans are greatly diminished.
I'll vote Labour this time but switch to Lib Dems next time if this does not change.

Catza · 04/07/2024 10:28

HowIrresponsible · 04/07/2024 10:23

A transgender female is a man.

There is nothing wrong with making them use the correct facilities for their sex.

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So you would be happy for my transgender friend to use female toilets and share a changing room with you even though he has mastectomy, genital reconstruction, facial and chest hair and deep voice. I’d love to see that happening.

Ginisatonic · 04/07/2024 10:23

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 10:19

I am bored now. Read the Labour manifesto yourself.

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I have. They won’t be taxing my bedroom or garden.
If you can’t back up your frankly ludicrous claims you need to bow out gracefully.

HowIrresponsible · 04/07/2024 10:23

Catza · 04/07/2024 10:19

So it is OK, in your opinion, to subject transgender female to the same treatment when they are in a vulnerable position themselves?
I will say it again. The point is not to establish who has more rights at the expense of the other. The point is to create a system under which everyone can have equitable access to everything they need to live with dignity.

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A transgender female is a man.

There is nothing wrong with making them use the correct facilities for their sex.

Itiswhysofew · 04/07/2024 10:22

Net zero

DontBiteTheCat · 04/07/2024 10:21

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 10:19

I am bored now. Read the Labour manifesto yourself.

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It’s not in the manifesto though, is it?

You’ve just linked a newspaper article (Torygraph) which reads “all the ways Labour COULD tax you” in another thread.

And we’re uneducated?

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 10:20

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 10:19

I am bored now. Read the Labour manifesto yourself.

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Bored when asked to back up your assertions with facts? Never!

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 10:19

Ginisatonic · 04/07/2024 10:18

But you’re not explaining how they will tax my bedroom and garden. Please enlighten me.

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I am bored now. Read the Labour manifesto yourself.

Catza · 04/07/2024 10:19

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 10:13

Because male sex offenders often rape women in single sex spaces, particularly vulnerable ones in MH units, prisons and hospitals. Or is that okay as long as the man has his rights protected?

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So it is OK, in your opinion, to subject transgender female to the same treatment when they are in a vulnerable position themselves?
I will say it again. The point is not to establish who has more rights at the expense of the other. The point is to create a system under which everyone can have equitable access to everything they need to live with dignity.

Ginisatonic · 04/07/2024 10:18

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 10:12

Yes!

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But you’re not explaining how they will tax my bedroom and garden. Please enlighten me.

HowIrresponsible · 04/07/2024 10:18

I also can't believe how many people think the Tories are screwing money out of you and there's a load hiding that labour can spend.

Does no one remember covid? All of you thought it was funny to be furloughed on a full wage. You think all that came for free? I was worried at the time that the government paid everyone's wages not to work and what the fall out would be. Well here it is. I suppose you all got to sit on your backsides for over a year whilst your wages were paid.

Also cancelling all routine NhS treatment and making it a covid only service. Here's the fall out - the waiting lists are out of control.

I'm surprised how so many think you could close down the country for 2 years and there be no consequence other than it being the tories evil plan to do it deliberately.

As for the NhS and when Brown brought us slap bang into the European average, productivity declined - and the onky discernible change was a massive pay rise for NHS staff. (Also “chronically and historically underpaid” according to them).
You could cram the entire GDP into the maw of the NHS and it would still demand more and screech about underfunding - even (as now) with the consultants’ car park full of Jags and Mercs.
The NHS doesn’t even do irony well.

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 10:18

DontBiteTheCat · 04/07/2024 10:15

‘@Hummingbird75 aren't you exhausted from all the hyperbole you’re spouting?

You might want to have a rest, tomorrow will be a long hard day for you.

I am pissed off that so many women are voting their rights away - astonished that they seem to be so badly educated as to not understand what Labour intend to do with their vote.

DontBiteTheCat · 04/07/2024 10:15

‘@Hummingbird75 aren't you exhausted from all the hyperbole you’re spouting?

You might want to have a rest, tomorrow will be a long hard day for you.

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 10:13

Catza · 04/07/2024 10:04

I worked in a secure MH unit and we had a transgender female on a male ward. She wasn’t very safe there either but, again, this is not a sexy topic to discuss. Now, nobody is suggesting that she should have been put to female ward as she wouldn’t be much safer there either. But the fact that there is NO safe provision in place is what I find unacceptable.
Why is it OK to sacrifice this individual’s right to safety? Because she happens to be born a male?
My best friend is a transgender male. Before transitioning he underwent a series of embarrassing encounters within the health service including a medical professional suggesting that she (at the time) tried to have sex with men to see if she liked it. Does this sound OK to you as a female rights advocate?
The point is not to establish who has more rights at the expense of the other. The point is to create a system under which everyone can have equitable access to everything they need to live with dignity.

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Because male sex offenders often rape women in single sex spaces, particularly vulnerable ones in MH units, prisons and hospitals. Or is that okay as long as the man has his rights protected?