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Maternity pay bullsh*t for teachers

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Teacherprebaby · 03/07/2024 22:02

My school (state/academy), offers 6 weeks at 90% and the remaining at SMP so £185 a week. This is discrimination against women who want to have children. Am I being unreasonable to bring this up with my school?

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ChefsKisser · 04/07/2024 06:44

modgepodge · 03/07/2024 22:19

Teachers under the ‘burgundy book’ terms and conditions (most state school teachers) get much more than that. OP is unlucky to worth in an academy which can cut costs on things like this.

I understand this but when you’re job hunting you need to be aware of these things! I had my first child employed by a hospital trust and had their ‘good’ mat leave (can’t remember what it was but something like 90% for first 6 weeks then 50% + stat for 6 months) which allowed me 6 months + accrued leave off work. My next job was full pay for 6 months then half pay for 3 which allowed me 11 months off with my second. Mat pay at my current job is only slightly better than stat and worse than my previous too but I’m not planning any more kids. I agree Mat pay some places is rotten but it was a massive consideration for me when applying for jobs around baby age!

Nannyogg134 · 04/07/2024 06:31

I got 1 week at 100%, 4 weeks at 50% and then statutory mat pay.

mummyh2016 · 04/07/2024 06:28

It's not discrimination, men get less unless the mum basically gives the dad her leave.
Like other posters have said it's not a teacher thing either. Unless you mean it's okay for people to get SMP but teachers should get more.
Have the maternity pay rules at your employer changed since you started there? IE did they used to pay enhanced and have changed it fairly recently?

Indiaorigin · 04/07/2024 06:24

SMP is rubbish but many small employers would not be able to afford more while also paying maternity cover. Are we prepared to pay more tax or what should be cut for more SMP.
I was a trainee in LA legal and the employment solicitors tried their best for employee rights for the school staff including non teaching when there was academisation of LA schools. It wasn’t easy and of course would not have helped with new academies or new employees.

for the teachers around at the time what were the unions doing- did they play a big role?

Chatonette · 04/07/2024 06:10

Teacherprebaby · 03/07/2024 22:29

That's not the point. Yes we 'get it'. My point is that we should not accept it!

Ignore. In true MN fashion, someone always needs to turn it into a race to the bottom. Teachers get the same maternity leave across the country, just like I imagine NHS nurses do. Nurses wouldn’t be happy if their local hospitals were privatised and their maternity pay was dramatically cut either.

bk1981 · 04/07/2024 06:07

I'm in an academy and we follow the burgundy book for maternity pay.

Chatonette · 04/07/2024 06:05

My academy matched the local authority/standard UK maternity pay. What you’re describing is my issue with academies - they wiggle out of responsibilities and meeting minimum expectations for both staff and pupils.

JaneyMayJaneyMay · 04/07/2024 06:03

It’s awful isn’t it! Not sure if I’m able to post links but urging you to find the teachersspl website - you can use your shared parental leave to essentially ‘go back’ to work in the Christmas, Easter and summer holidays to get paid even though you’ll still be at home with baby. There is loads of info on the website to support you in setting it up. Have a look then book in a meeting with HR, it still doesn’t make up for the awful maternity pay but should hopefully help a little.

SulkySeagull · 04/07/2024 05:58

its awful, buts it’s also what I got working for one of the biggest beauty companies in the world. A lot of private companies only offer statutory too, it’s not just the public sector.

magnoliablooms · 04/07/2024 05:45

crumblingschools · 04/07/2024 00:25

Why are you making it about teachers, when it is standard maternity pay for many employees.

This. I have no idea why you're making this a teacher thing

wellington77 · 04/07/2024 00:26

Teacherprebaby · 03/07/2024 22:37

I've been googling and I cannot see this anywhere.

I found the link!: https://www.teachersspl.co.uk/how-it-works

How it Works | Teacher's SPL

https://www.teachersspl.co.uk/how-it-works

crumblingschools · 04/07/2024 00:25

Why are you making it about teachers, when it is standard maternity pay for many employees.

wellington77 · 04/07/2024 00:23

Teacherprebaby · 03/07/2024 22:37

I've been googling and I cannot see this anywhere.

Sorry I completely forgot to say, that this tactic of pausing maternity can be used it you do shared parental leave. Your husband doesn’t need to actually go on leave when you pause your maternity during the holidays either ( so you’re just saying it’s shared when it’s not really- Perfectly legal, many teachers do it) . Just make it clear to school you are going to do the shared parental leave in the holidays so technically you will be “ at work during the holidays. There is a website that goes through all this. Will try find it tomorrow

wellington77 · 04/07/2024 00:18

Teacherprebaby · 03/07/2024 22:37

I've been googling and I cannot see this anywhere.

Which bit? The 500 pound bit or the pausing your maternity? If you go on your union website- should say there. If not, I will try find a link for you tomorrow

MightWusk · 03/07/2024 23:54

Nottodaythankyou123 · 03/07/2024 23:45

My second was an accident born just as our (renovation) house sale completed which wiped every single penny of our savings on deposit/essential renovations. We couldn’t afford to save again and so I went back to work after 4 months because my job only offered SMP. With my first I had 6 months full pay so wasn’t really an issue!
Between us can afford 2x childcare and costs of having kids but timing meant there was no pot of savings available. Its not always that black and white I don’t think 🤷🏼‍♀️

I get that. But this is the situation for most people. We just deal with it somehow. It's not up to workplaces to take the cost of everyone having their babies.

Nottodaythankyou123 · 03/07/2024 23:45

MightWusk · 03/07/2024 23:39

If 2 full time earners can't save money before having children, then maybe they need to rethink having children. Where will they magic the money from for a new baby, everything that goes with that, childcare and so on?

My second was an accident born just as our (renovation) house sale completed which wiped every single penny of our savings on deposit/essential renovations. We couldn’t afford to save again and so I went back to work after 4 months because my job only offered SMP. With my first I had 6 months full pay so wasn’t really an issue!
Between us can afford 2x childcare and costs of having kids but timing meant there was no pot of savings available. Its not always that black and white I don’t think 🤷🏼‍♀️

MightWusk · 03/07/2024 23:39

Perfect28 · 03/07/2024 22:58

@MightWusk you realise that in this economic climate many people are unable to save, particularly to save enough to essentially stop earning for several months. Not to mention that not many pregnancies are precisely planned for.

If 2 full time earners can't save money before having children, then maybe they need to rethink having children. Where will they magic the money from for a new baby, everything that goes with that, childcare and so on?

Jeannie88 · 03/07/2024 23:38

I can't remember completely but am sure it was more than that? 2015. X

CelesteCunningham · 03/07/2024 23:14

SMP is shit, but it's not illegal and it's not discriminatory.

TeenLifeMum · 03/07/2024 23:12

I’ve always thought that part of planning for a baby is saving (not counting for surprise pregnancies) so mat pay is in addition. You’re literally receiving money for not working and staying home with your baby and having your job held for you. It really is true that the more you give people the more they want. My family is in the states so maybe I’m just coloured by that as I was so grateful to be in England when I had my babies.

For context I had 2 pregnancies including twins (no extra support financially for twins btw).

BarryCantSwim · 03/07/2024 23:10

Turquoise19 · 03/07/2024 23:01

Perhaps it offsets all those paid holidays you have. Remind us, how many weeks is it?

You should read how teachers are paid.

User2460177 · 03/07/2024 23:09

Teacherprebaby · 03/07/2024 22:40

I get that, I'm lucky that we will be fine. I've been at this school for years, I shouldn't have to leave to be treated fairly. I just can't believe women in this country have been accepting this as normal. I feel for single mothers who spilt from partners whilst on maternity leave, how do they cope!

Getting better benefits and/or pay isn’t being “treated fairly”. Why do you feel so entitled when women up and down the country get statutory maternity pay?

im a single mum and I saved for maternity leave so I was fine.

User2460177 · 03/07/2024 23:06

Teacherprebaby · 03/07/2024 22:27

It's discrimination against women. You need support from your partner (usually a man) to be able to afford to live. It's shocking that women have allowed this to continue for as long as it has!

Sorry but it really isn’t. It’s minimum statutory maternity pay. Lots of people get that. You have to prepare and save to take more time off or get a job with better benefits if that’s important to you. Not just expect people to give you whatever you want

Mummy2024 · 03/07/2024 23:05

Teacherprebaby · 03/07/2024 22:40

I get that, I'm lucky that we will be fine. I've been at this school for years, I shouldn't have to leave to be treated fairly. I just can't believe women in this country have been accepting this as normal. I feel for single mothers who spilt from partners whilst on maternity leave, how do they cope!

What I would do is leave.... I'd hand in my notice OP you can claim SMP at the job centre anyway so if that's all they are willing to offer then bye bye good teacher, their loss.

MistressIggi · 03/07/2024 23:04

Civil service gives (some of) its workers 6 months on full pay when on ML.