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Maternity pay bullsh*t for teachers

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Teacherprebaby · 03/07/2024 22:02

My school (state/academy), offers 6 weeks at 90% and the remaining at SMP so £185 a week. This is discrimination against women who want to have children. Am I being unreasonable to bring this up with my school?

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Birdingbear · 04/07/2024 12:47

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 06:50

And you think it's ok?

You sound very entitled.

You want a baby, so have one. It's a choice, not a right! If you can't afford one then that's not the schools problem or a workplace or even the government.

Do you think it's fair on the school to pay for someone who isn't working for a year? Lucky for you to live in the UK where you have so many perks. Why not move to another country...see how you get on with their maternity pay and leave.

Fifthtimelucky · 04/07/2024 12:36

Lots (I think most) academies follow the same arrangements for pay and conditions as maintained schools. The OP's doesn't.

My understanding is that if she had been there when her school became an Academy, her pay and conditions would have been protected by TUPE. Either she wasn't employed there then, in which case she accepted the pay and conditions when she accepted the job, or she explicitly agreed to give up her TUPEd rights. Teachers in some schools were happy to do that because the Academy offered enhanced pay or other incentives.

As an example, teachers in Harris Academies are paid more than those in maintained schools. They also receive loyalty bonuses and private healthcare. I have no idea what their maternity offer is because I can't see anything on their website. That perhaps suggests that they don't offer anything above the statutory minimum (but I have no idea).

For some teachers those additional benefits will be worth it. For others they won't. But the pay and conditions offered come as a package. Staff can't pick and choose between the two systems by taking eg the higher pay offered by the Academy and the higher maternity pay offered by maintained schools.

I have idea whether the OP is in that position, but I'd be surprised if academies which have departed from the national pay and conditions arrangements are not offering better conditions in at least some respects. If they paid less and had worse working conditions they would find it even more difficult to attract staff!

User2460177 · 04/07/2024 12:34

smooththecat · 04/07/2024 10:19

So many women advocating for policies that discriminate against women. A race to the bottom going on here.

The op is claiming that she is being discriminated against because she doesn’t like how much maternity pay she personally gets (which is based on the statutory requirement). People have pointed out that isn’t discrimination and it isn’t. It’s one thing to say that maternity pay for all should be higher- op is just saying that she thinks she personally should get more because some other teachers do. That’s not sex discrimination.

User2460177 · 04/07/2024 12:30

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:27

You don't realise that policies put in place can discriminate against a particular sex? It's not about male Vs female, it's the bigger picture.

That’s not what sex discrimination is. It’s a direct comparison

Tattletwat · 04/07/2024 11:21

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:39

You are stating a simplified version of the word. Never mind. You've missed the point.

The fact is you aren't being discriminated against full stop.

You could have negotiated a better package, got a job with better package.

Campaign for better maternity pay but you aren't being discriminated against you are being treated the same as other teachers at your school.

TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 04/07/2024 11:00

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:10

So you are saying some women are more important than others?

Some women are paid more than others - does that make them more important?

fitzwilliamdarcy · 04/07/2024 10:41

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:07

When did I say I have family friendly working or a generous maternity package? 😂

I said you sound like them, not that you literally are them.

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:39

Tattletwat · 04/07/2024 10:29

But you aren't being discriminated against is a bloke in the school getting a better maternity package no.

You really don't understand what discrimination is and if so it's shocking you are a teacher.

You are stating a simplified version of the word. Never mind. You've missed the point.

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curlycurlymoo · 04/07/2024 10:33

I was in an academy and it was better than that.

Tattletwat · 04/07/2024 10:29

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:27

You don't realise that policies put in place can discriminate against a particular sex? It's not about male Vs female, it's the bigger picture.

But you aren't being discriminated against is a bloke in the school getting a better maternity package no.

You really don't understand what discrimination is and if so it's shocking you are a teacher.

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:27

Tattletwat · 04/07/2024 09:09

I'm worried that despite multiple people telling OP it isn't discrimination she still keeps saying it is. And OP is a teacher.

You don't realise that policies put in place can discriminate against a particular sex? It's not about male Vs female, it's the bigger picture.

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Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:25

RubySloth · 04/07/2024 09:13

Jesus, I hope you are more mature in your workplace.

Most people save before having children, ask partner to up their hours, make cut backs etc.

Yes, it's not great but a child is a luxury especially in a world, where we want careers and not be a housewife.

It's not just women, you could ask your partner to be at home instead, you could do more hours/ take up tuition for extra cash etc. It's not just a woman problem unless you are a single parent that has been left holding the baby.

I'm allowed to be facetious here so I will but thanks for the comment 😊.

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smooththecat · 04/07/2024 10:20

PickledPurplePickle · 04/07/2024 07:57

It’s not discrimination, it’s the government guidance and many companies follow this

E.g. this. Ever crossed your mind that policies can discriminate?

smooththecat · 04/07/2024 10:19

So many women advocating for policies that discriminate against women. A race to the bottom going on here.

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:10

Smithhy · 04/07/2024 08:10

So should all jobs be paid the same salary and benefits package?

So you are saying some women are more important than others?

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Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:08

OhTediosity · 04/07/2024 08:21

Just to add, if you are already pregnant, if you find the MTPT Project (maternity teacher paternity teacher) on Twitter they have helpful guidance on using your due date and the school holidays to maximise your leave.

Thank you so much. Really helpful advice, I genuinely appreciate you taking the time.

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Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 10:07

fitzwilliamdarcy · 04/07/2024 09:46

OP, you sound like the women I work with. Generous maternity packages and family-friendly flexible working policies but nothing is ever enough. They're always shouting that they're being discriminated against but can never explain why.

Drives those of us who don't/can't have kids and keep getting refused flexibility absolutely bananas, I can tell you.

When did I say I have family friendly working or a generous maternity package? 😂

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fitzwilliamdarcy · 04/07/2024 09:46

OP, you sound like the women I work with. Generous maternity packages and family-friendly flexible working policies but nothing is ever enough. They're always shouting that they're being discriminated against but can never explain why.

Drives those of us who don't/can't have kids and keep getting refused flexibility absolutely bananas, I can tell you.

ThanksItHasPockets · 04/07/2024 09:25

Soontobe60 · 04/07/2024 09:21

The falling birth rate is a huge concern to everyone and is a crisis-in-waiting.
The aging population is increasing but the birth rate is falling. From a basic financial POV, there will be fewer tax payers funding an increasing pension budget within a few years. From a more practical POV, there will be fewer employees available to support an aging population.
We should be actively encouraging women to have children by making it financially viable. Every parent should receive 6 month’s government funded maternity pay that can be split between both parents as they wish, childcare should be much more heavily subsidised - get rid of child benefit and increase the value of childcare vouchers, all schools should provide low cost wrap around and holiday care on their premises staffed by outside providers. We need to get those babies being born!

This would be, IMHO, a misdirection of energies. The falling birth rate isn’t due to poor maternity and paternity pay - the birth rate was much higher in the past when the levels of pay were no more generous (and often much lower). It is a symptom of a wider cost of living crisis, specifically the cost of housing. Until the affordable housing crisis is resolved there will be no increase to the birth rate, and more generous statutory pay would be only a very expensive sticking-plaster.

crumblingschools · 04/07/2024 09:24

@Soontobe60 but won’t we just be building up a bigger problem if we increase the population now, will have even more elderly people in the future and even fewer resources

Soontobe60 · 04/07/2024 09:21

RubySloth · 04/07/2024 09:13

Jesus, I hope you are more mature in your workplace.

Most people save before having children, ask partner to up their hours, make cut backs etc.

Yes, it's not great but a child is a luxury especially in a world, where we want careers and not be a housewife.

It's not just women, you could ask your partner to be at home instead, you could do more hours/ take up tuition for extra cash etc. It's not just a woman problem unless you are a single parent that has been left holding the baby.

The falling birth rate is a huge concern to everyone and is a crisis-in-waiting.
The aging population is increasing but the birth rate is falling. From a basic financial POV, there will be fewer tax payers funding an increasing pension budget within a few years. From a more practical POV, there will be fewer employees available to support an aging population.
We should be actively encouraging women to have children by making it financially viable. Every parent should receive 6 month’s government funded maternity pay that can be split between both parents as they wish, childcare should be much more heavily subsidised - get rid of child benefit and increase the value of childcare vouchers, all schools should provide low cost wrap around and holiday care on their premises staffed by outside providers. We need to get those babies being born!

RubySloth · 04/07/2024 09:21

Soontobe60 · 04/07/2024 09:14

I’m a teacher, theres always a couple of members of staff on mat leave in my school!
One particular TA has just had her 2nd DC. She has not returned to work but has chosen to resign and be a SAHM. She is single. The amount of benefits she receives really surprised me - She is far better off on these benefits than she was when she was employed. There’s something drastically wrong with a society whereby it pays more to stay at home than to go out to work if youre on not much more than minimum wage.

It's the long ball game though, it may seem easier now to give up work but then you are stuck. It's hard to get back into work after 5 year gap, everyone says they will study but let's be real- everyone is tired.

Then housing is another thing to think about, who actually takes HB as tenants? I'm not sure if it's changed but I remember no-one taking them. You aren't allowed much credit etc.

So, yeah it's a difficult decision when you take everything into account .

Soontobe60 · 04/07/2024 09:14

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 07:56

When I say discrimination what I mean is, we need to keep reproducing as a society for society to continue, women are the sex who are tasked with this. Our lives should not be negatively affected because of this.

I know there are a million and one arguments to be had as there have been on this thread. I'm not saying I have the solution. I'm lucky enough to have a very comfortable life, many women are not so fortunate, many women simply cannot afford to have children. I don't agree with this.

I’m a teacher, theres always a couple of members of staff on mat leave in my school!
One particular TA has just had her 2nd DC. She has not returned to work but has chosen to resign and be a SAHM. She is single. The amount of benefits she receives really surprised me - She is far better off on these benefits than she was when she was employed. There’s something drastically wrong with a society whereby it pays more to stay at home than to go out to work if youre on not much more than minimum wage.

RubySloth · 04/07/2024 09:13

Teacherprebaby · 04/07/2024 06:54

My thread, me me me me me. 😊

Jesus, I hope you are more mature in your workplace.

Most people save before having children, ask partner to up their hours, make cut backs etc.

Yes, it's not great but a child is a luxury especially in a world, where we want careers and not be a housewife.

It's not just women, you could ask your partner to be at home instead, you could do more hours/ take up tuition for extra cash etc. It's not just a woman problem unless you are a single parent that has been left holding the baby.

Tattletwat · 04/07/2024 09:09

I'm worried that despite multiple people telling OP it isn't discrimination she still keeps saying it is. And OP is a teacher.