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Parents in law on holiday

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Anxiousmuch · 03/07/2024 21:32

Every year myself and OH take our young children camping in Cornwall
It's our one holiday and we hope to spend the week on the beach (or in rain at soft play)
Today I've found out his parents have asked him what dates we are there because they want to find somewhere close by and be with us
I want to cry. This is my break and with them around I won't be able to relax. They'll also have completely different expectations of what we'll do and aren't agile enough to go on the beach
Am I unreasonable to expect my partner to say something to them? I'd be happy to do a weekend away with them another time

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chillidoritto · 08/07/2024 22:23

So a boomer is someone in their 60s? Or someone born in the 60s? Not guilty of either of those

Tablesalt111 · 08/07/2024 22:16

Ostagazuzulum · 03/07/2024 21:45

No suggestions but am in same situation. In laws have insisted that we go on holiday with them this year. Lord knows why. They've been nightmare booking it, nothing is good enough but they won't pay for what they want. Their specifications for what they want has been unachievable so it's gone on for ages as they're convinced we can 'do better's Dh and I struggle to get time off work in school hols so it's now been left so late we didn't get much choice. MIL is already sending messages to me about what clothes I should take as it'll be hot (. I'm nearly 50...!) I feel bit weird being in swimming costume around them so won't relax ('y issue not theirs but in my defence mil has plenty to say about my body shape after I'd given birth and how weight had dropped to my thighs)

They'll be a nightmare. Mil will want someone to go to bar for her constantly DH and FIL will ignore so as a people pleaser I'll be obliged), she'll undermine my parenting. Any days out will be limited as they have limited mobility and will Want to come and kick up a fuss if they can't. DH won't say word. They've never been on hols with us before. It's 14 days. I've never done an overnight with them before as they live within day driving distance so this will be intense. I'm dreading it. It's not a holiday.

I can't offer any advice only that you're not alone. I plan to get earplugs.

I'm stressed on your behalf. 😕😫

FictionalCharacter · 08/07/2024 22:13

Boomers got free higher education, final salary pensions and eye watering home equity.

That's a deeply unpleasant, lazy generalisation.
I am close to retirement age now. I did get fee-free HE yes. I'm grateful for it. I went on marches protesting against the abolition of grants for those of you who came after us. But only a minority of us went to university at all. The majority went straight into work after leaving school or went to college, often on day release.

I do not have eye watering equity. For years I lived in expensive, shabby rentals or the same kinds of house shares as when I was a student. When I finally bought a tiny flat with my BF at the inflated prices of the late 80s, mortgage interest rates were sky high and rising. Our monthly payment was almost all of my monthly salary. It was the era of repossessions and we came close to losing our home in the way that many people did.

I do not have a final salary pension. My employer stopped offering one years ago because they became unaffordable. I have no lazily accumulated wealth. I've worked hard for my whole career, and for many years I was low paid.

I'm sick to death of hearing I'm undeservedly rich and to blame for the money troubles of younger people. I live very frugally. I'm currently supporting my adult children financially through university and will be continuing to support them when they get jobs and homes. No doubt you think whatever I do isn't enough.

You don't see any of what a lot of us went through. You just look at the better-off retired people, assume everything they have fell in their laps and was unearned, and assume we're all the same.

Mumofcirrus · 08/07/2024 22:04

I'm looking from their point of view. This could be an amazing time for you all to enjoy each others company in a different place. If they are elderly, I would doubt whether they will be on the beach etc every day.
If this were me Id encourage them to come down for 2 nights in the middle of the break.
Families are what it is all about in the end, if there is something specific about them that you don't enjoy and haven't mentioned then NO is the answer, otherwise be a bit more flexible.

LordPercyPercy · 08/07/2024 21:49

Boomers got free higher education, final salary pensions and eye watering home equity.
First generation to leave their children poorer and with a worst quality of life.

I'm not a boomer but this is utterly knobbish.

tara66 · 08/07/2024 21:48

Anxiousmuch · 08/07/2024 21:03

Nope, I'd have been grateful for it.
But then I wouldn't have deprived other generations of the same privileges in order to vote for governments that kept my tax bill low at the expense of providing the same quality of life for people who are younger than me

Taxes for boomer generation were very high actually - after WW2 highest rate of tax was 99%.
1950 - 60s - 97% was top rate.
1971 - top rate dropped to 75% but in 1970s there was also a surcharge 15% extra on investment profits - that's why people like Rolling Stones lived outside UK.

SpidersAreShitheads · 08/07/2024 21:32

Anxiousmuch · 08/07/2024 21:03

Nope, I'd have been grateful for it.
But then I wouldn't have deprived other generations of the same privileges in order to vote for governments that kept my tax bill low at the expense of providing the same quality of life for people who are younger than me

There are some wild sweeping generalisations in your posts OP. Not all "boomers" have the same shitty attitude that you seem to be implying.

There are plenty of self-serving and shitty Millennials too, as there are in every generation.

I'm not a boomer myself, but I do object to lazy tropes and those of the "ok, boomer" variety are pretty unpleasant.

Women of the boomer generation actually had a pretty shitty time in many ways. Women weren't allowed to get credit cards or a loan without a signature from their father. Women weren't even allowed to open a bank account without permission from a man until 1975. It took until 1990 for the law to allow married women to be taxed individually, and not as an extension of their husband.

Statutory maternity pay wasn't introduced until 1987 and wasn't made compulsory until 1993.

Until 1982 women could be refused service in a pub, simply because they were a woman.

And let's not even touch on the subject of rape and sexual assault. Marital rape didn't become illegal until 1992.

Lots gets written about how the current generations won't enjoy the same financial benefits as the boomer generation but there are plenty of things that are better today, especially for women. That's why it's lazy to cast aspersions on the boomer generation as it fails to consider the full range of circumstances that were present.

If you want to criticise someone, make it personal, don't suggest it's because of their age or generation. It's unfair and insulting.

crumblingschools · 08/07/2024 21:23

But most organisations can’t afford final salary schemes. Labour wanted 50% of 18yos to go to university, but with those numbers needed fees to pay for that. And those fees aren’t enough now, so who knows what will happen.

When I went to university only about10% of 18yos went to university, would have been even less in the Boomer generation, think it was 4% in early 60s and a very uneven gender and social split

Would you want that still to be the same?

Anxiousmuch · 08/07/2024 21:03

crumblingschools · 08/07/2024 20:47

@Anxiousmuch so if you were born in the boomer time would you have declined free university education and final salary pension (and bearing in mind many people of that generation would not have experienced either)

Nope, I'd have been grateful for it.
But then I wouldn't have deprived other generations of the same privileges in order to vote for governments that kept my tax bill low at the expense of providing the same quality of life for people who are younger than me

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crumblingschools · 08/07/2024 20:47

@Anxiousmuch so if you were born in the boomer time would you have declined free university education and final salary pension (and bearing in mind many people of that generation would not have experienced either)

ForeveraBluebird · 08/07/2024 20:44

@Anxiousmuch , I’d don’t want to derail your thread and hope you have a lovely holiday in Cornwall.

Anxiousmuch · 08/07/2024 20:40

crumblingschools · 08/07/2024 20:28

@Anxiousmuch why do you describe them as a boomer, surely the attitude is just what your PILs are like (although they have agreed to do what you have discussed so you were wrong in your assumption).

They are literally boomers
That's their generation
Inviting yourself on a holiday and having to be uninvited is not doing what i wanted 😂

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Anxiousmuch · 08/07/2024 20:39

ForeveraBluebird · 08/07/2024 20:30

If I’m a boomer I’d flipping like someone to show me my lazily accumulated wealth I must have misplaced it.

It's in your house and your pension
And if you don't have those your fellow boomers have screwed you over too

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ForeveraBluebird · 08/07/2024 20:30

If I’m a boomer I’d flipping like someone to show me my lazily accumulated wealth I must have misplaced it.

crumblingschools · 08/07/2024 20:28

@Anxiousmuch why do you describe them as a boomer, surely the attitude is just what your PILs are like (although they have agreed to do what you have discussed so you were wrong in your assumption).

BIossomtoes · 08/07/2024 20:26

I hope this labour government does fix housing and if it upped inheritance tax and used it to directly fund more affordable housing I'd very much be in support of it

So would I and I’m a boomer. Actually I’d like it to introduce a wealth tax too because a rise in inheritance tax will hurt your generation, not mine.

GrinAndBeerIt · 08/07/2024 20:15

My parents in law once suggested gatecrashing our holiday, they got told where to go sharpish. They never suggested it again. You just have to be firm and tell them it's not happening.
I wouldn't dream of even suggesting going on my married kids holidays, let alone gatecrashing them.

MissFancyDay · 08/07/2024 20:09

Anxiousmuch · 08/07/2024 19:12

No. The statement was about my PIL and it stands true. They tick every boomer box of always thinking about themselves first.
If you're offended by my opinion that's on you. Boomers got free higher education, final salary pensions and eye watering home equity.
First generation to leave their children poorer and with a worst quality of life.
Just hope as a generation we do better for our children

Haha, guilty as charged Op. However I'm not overly sensitive about generalisations and would never invite myself on my DC's family holidays. YANBU

Anxiousmuch · 08/07/2024 19:56

chillidoritto · 08/07/2024 19:47

Define a boomer?

Oxford English dictionary
noun
INFORMAL
noun: boomer; plural noun: boomers

  1. 1.
  2. short for baby boomer.
  3. "the younger generation have to live with the effects longer than the boomers do"

baby boomer meaning - Google Search

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sca_esv=04aa412ff406bf20&hl=en-GB&cs=0&q=baby+boomer&si=ACC90nwKPQWKXvO0LWGU61hOTgoDWNBCrsG5ybtMMgToM3nc5zv5aNDaAn-XW1DE2Ly4IvjszLWlCseiKJZMLvO8VIKXxPIo0lGOXECyrefgHTCcG2YkGFk%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjvluqej5iHAxWPwQIHHePpD_MQgCt6BAg9EA0

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chillidoritto · 08/07/2024 19:47

Define a boomer?

Anxiousmuch · 08/07/2024 19:43

crumblingschools · 08/07/2024 19:32

@Anxiousmuch and I assume you will benefit well from them when they die. Will you be moaning about them then

That's a peak boomer attitude.
Absolutely proving my point 😂😂😂
YOU will benefit well from them AKA
"I'm alright jack"

Absolutely not. I don't want their lazily accumulated wealth.

I'd much much prefer that houses be affordable and available for all families than for one or two children inherit a huge amount of "profit" their parents didn't even work to earn.

It's a completely crap way to organise a society and I'm glad young people are getting angry and sick of it.

I hope this labour government does fix housing and if it upped inheritance tax and used it to directly fund more affordable housing I'd very much be in support of it

Even though I don't personally need social housing and I would personally be better off without it

Because I'm not that greedy and I'm not that selfish

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crumblingschools · 08/07/2024 19:32

@Anxiousmuch and I assume you will benefit well from them when they die. Will you be moaning about them then

crumblingschools · 08/07/2024 19:31

@Anxiousmuch not everyone from Boomer generation has it easy. So don’t tar everyone with the same brush.

Anxiousmuch · 08/07/2024 19:12

Nanny0gg · 08/07/2024 18:54

No apology for the ageism then?

No. The statement was about my PIL and it stands true. They tick every boomer box of always thinking about themselves first.
If you're offended by my opinion that's on you. Boomers got free higher education, final salary pensions and eye watering home equity.
First generation to leave their children poorer and with a worst quality of life.
Just hope as a generation we do better for our children

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