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I’m not being flippant- I genuinely don’t get it- childcare costs

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Strictlymad · 03/07/2024 07:44

Please could you knowledgeable lot help me?

I promise it’s a genuine request I’m not being flippant!

theres been a lot of posts recently about childcare costs, being better off earning less due to benefits, UC top ups etc and I don’t disbelieve this but don’t understand what I’m missing. We are struggling and not getting any help at all. There was a long thread yesterday but I’ve lost tract now and didn’t want to hijack.

situation is - dh earns 41k, I earn approx 6k self employed from home whilst also being full time carer to toddler ds who has complex medical needs, we also have 6 year old dd.

ds can’t attend childcare due to his needs so work for me is limited. Mortgage on 3 bed house is 900 in south east, dh commutes to London so running two cars. Applied for uc but not eligible, get standard child benefit. Ongoing application for dla for ds but takes months.

i do appreciate we have more than many and am grateful for that, there is more to life than money- every day I’m grateful ds is alive. I’m just curious at these posts of others saying if dh earned under 100k we would be better of cuz of the ‘help’ - is there something I’m missing!!

thanks all

OP posts:
Katy4321 · 03/07/2024 13:13

MidnightPatrol · 03/07/2024 10:07

@Katy4321 I’ve made no comment about OP’s situation, I’m explaining (as requested) why people are are posting threads complaining about childcare costs when they seem to be on very high salaries.

If you have two children 2 years apart this might go on for several years (especially now with free hours from 9 months) - and tax-free childcare you can claim until the end of primary school.

The ‘loss’ / benefit of a higher salary for earners >£100k becomes greater with every new childcare initiative that is launched.

Her post is mainly asking why her family don't get any benefits the bring them any where near what a 100K plus earner takes homes. Hopefully all these 100K plus people who feel upset, have now realised there are very very few people get anywhere nearer benefits/childcare that bring them anywhere near thier take home salary. So they are still in the top few percent ( with all the choices they have to make things easier if they need to).

I don't think anyone needs the over 100k benefits loss thing explained yet another time! It was so many times on yesterday's post, making my violin get smaller and smaller.

Peanutbutterjelly123 · 03/07/2024 12:45

I don’t really know how it works but my friend who is a single mum, rents half her house (50%) shared ownership and works 2 nights a week is a lot better off than me and DH combined with two average incomes. (Approx £28,000 each) as they pay her rent and 85% of her nursery bills among other things. It’s rubbish for families with an average income who are struggling, have a mortgage but can’t get any help to make ends meet.

Dweetfidilove · 03/07/2024 12:36

Strictlymad · 03/07/2024 08:25

Yeah we pay all the tax NI etc but don’t even get a free prescription or dental check up! That all adds up!

The people on UC who get free prescription and dental are on meagre earnings.
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/help-with-health-costs/help-with-health-costs-for-people-getting-universal-credit/

nhs.uk

Help with health costs for people getting Universal Credit

If you receive Universal Credit, you may also qualify for help with health costs.

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/help-with-health-costs/help-with-health-costs-for-people-getting-universal-credit

Bushmillsbabe · 03/07/2024 12:22

Not quite answering your question, but there should be nursery provision for your youngest if you would like them to go, if 2 or over. We have 3 nurseries in our area attached to PMLD schools so there are a nursing team on site. We have children with peg feeds, with tracheostomy, on ventilators, severe epilepsy. If your child needs 1 to 1 health care constantly, you can apply to your local CCG for a HCA or nurse to a company them to nursery, and to also give you some respite care at home too. Going for an early EHCP can also help with funding for support.

Crystallizedring · 03/07/2024 12:19

Strictlymad · 03/07/2024 08:22

I can put in a claim for carers if/when he gets awarded the dla but it all takes months and months

I don't know if it's everywhere but there are some charities who you can phone and they help with forms like Carers Allowance and DLA. Just from personal experience doing the forms this way was much quicker and got a faster response than when we did it ourselves

WithACatLikeTread · 03/07/2024 12:12

Sorry I meant earning over £100k not having a disabled child.

WithACatLikeTread · 03/07/2024 12:11

On the other hand they have raised the earnings threshold for the new 15 hour funding so not entitled so will have to pay up front, reduce the sessions and hope UC pay some of it back.

I know which position I would prefer.

Grammarnut · 03/07/2024 11:57

Strictlymad · 03/07/2024 10:15

What you say makes a lot of sense! Maybe some more help for a sahp, even if it’s just towards costs like art materials and books that a child has access too in nursery but we have to buy for the home. With 2 children one of whom needs 24 care I’m far from ‘unemployed’ 😂 medical stuff crippled us too, the nhs is amazing, but every appointment costs me 20 for the train, late night a and e runs can cost £10 car parking, food for parents as an in patient…

That's grim, and certainly needs support. Love the idea of a book allowance, too.

Wonderfulstuff · 03/07/2024 11:54

@Strictlymad Yeah it would be cheaper for me to drive and park in central London than pay for my monthly season ticket... but the time it would take would take is prohibitive and too stressful. As it is I drive further up the rail line to try and bring the cost down a bit. I know it's in manifestos, but I really hope whatever government we get next does something about the crippling cost of public transport. Combined with childcare costs (school age so a lot less than we paid at nursery) it's more than our mortgage each month.

Strictlymad · 03/07/2024 11:45

Wonderfulstuff · 03/07/2024 11:30

Some people really understand how to get the max out of the system. Other people just aren't as clued up. I include myself in this as we've never managed to get any help.

On a sidenote - if you husband is commuting in every day I'm awe of your money management. My season ticket is £500/600 (with or without tube) so managing that with 2 kids, running a home, cars etc on a salary is £41k is impressive.

There’s deffo a mid point I think where you don’t earn amazing, but earn enough to get no help.

running a second car for us is cheaper to commute than the rail tickets, ulez exempt, office outside central congestion zone. Long mortgage - 40 years to reduce monthly to 900.

rest of budget managed with a iron fist lol- ynab is a brilliant app for looking at the budget- no food purchases out (no coffees), no take away, all own brand shopping cook at home, clothes on vinted, no paid activities/swimming lessons etc it’s doable but hard work and not much fun or frivolity lol

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Strictlymad · 03/07/2024 11:37

Nonametonight · 03/07/2024 10:50

Some practical steps for you:

  1. it you're married, transfer your tax free allowance to your husband www.gov.uk/marriage-allowance
  2. once your child is awarded DLA, claim carers allowance and update universal credit. I did some very rough calculations and I think you'll probably be entitled to UC once the DLA is in payment.
  3. if your child's dla claim is badly delayed, get in touch with your (new) mp and get them to chase DWP. They have better access than the public and intervention from an MP often resolves delays
  4. as long as you're still doing a bit of work or are in receipt of carers allowance, you can get help with childcare costs such as breakfast club and after-school club for your older child

Re your UC claim - if you claimed around the same time you claimed DLA it should probably be backdated to the date of the DLA claim. If you claimed after claimed DLA then UC will be backdated to when you first claimed UC. If you claimed uc more than six months ago, your UC claim will probably have closed so you might need to get advice

Thank you this is really helpful. We already to the marriage allowance. It seems like the dla is the key, once that’s in we can open the other doors! Thanks again

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Strictlymad · 03/07/2024 11:35

WhySoManySocks · 03/07/2024 10:37

In addition to this being help for childcare which you don’t use, this is also a bunch of rich people whining that they’re not getting free stuff and imagining that someone in 46K like you lives much better than they do.

i think this is why I’m asking- I’m wondering why there’s better off on 40k cuz I don’t think we are!!

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Wonderfulstuff · 03/07/2024 11:30

Some people really understand how to get the max out of the system. Other people just aren't as clued up. I include myself in this as we've never managed to get any help.

On a sidenote - if you husband is commuting in every day I'm awe of your money management. My season ticket is £500/600 (with or without tube) so managing that with 2 kids, running a home, cars etc on a salary is £41k is impressive.

greenpolarbear · 03/07/2024 11:00

Strictlymad · 03/07/2024 08:25

Yeah we pay all the tax NI etc but don’t even get a free prescription or dental check up! That all adds up!

May be worth checking what benefits are included in your DH's job? As even if there's nothing in the way of private healthcare at the moment, registering interest is usually something companies take seriously, and it often applies to spouses and kids as well.

feellikeanalien · 03/07/2024 10:53

DLA won't mean that you become entitled to UC. Entitlement depends on earnings and savings. If you have over £16,000 in savings you won't be entitled. They will also assess income.

What DLA and Carers Allowance do is to make you eligible for additional elements if you do become to entitled to UC. However Carers Allowance is always deducted pound for pound as income from any UC you are entitled to.

As others have said it all depends on individual circumstances. There may be additional things you can get as a carer, including free entrance tickets and a disabled children's railcard when your child reaches the age of 5 which allows 1/3 off rail travel for any carer accompanying a disabled child.

Once you hear about the DLA award it might be worth contacting Citizens Advice to find out about any other help you can get.

I agree that it's very confusing.

Nonametonight · 03/07/2024 10:51

Oh, all the UC stuff above assumes you don't have savings over 16k

Nonametonight · 03/07/2024 10:50

Some practical steps for you:

  1. it you're married, transfer your tax free allowance to your husband www.gov.uk/marriage-allowance
  2. once your child is awarded DLA, claim carers allowance and update universal credit. I did some very rough calculations and I think you'll probably be entitled to UC once the DLA is in payment.
  3. if your child's dla claim is badly delayed, get in touch with your (new) mp and get them to chase DWP. They have better access than the public and intervention from an MP often resolves delays
  4. as long as you're still doing a bit of work or are in receipt of carers allowance, you can get help with childcare costs such as breakfast club and after-school club for your older child

Re your UC claim - if you claimed around the same time you claimed DLA it should probably be backdated to the date of the DLA claim. If you claimed after claimed DLA then UC will be backdated to when you first claimed UC. If you claimed uc more than six months ago, your UC claim will probably have closed so you might need to get advice

WhySoManySocks · 03/07/2024 10:37

In addition to this being help for childcare which you don’t use, this is also a bunch of rich people whining that they’re not getting free stuff and imagining that someone in 46K like you lives much better than they do.

Viviennemary · 03/07/2024 10:29

I think folk on higher salaries are only getting help towards childcare and not any other top ups. Perhaps non means tested disability if eligible. I can't lose any sleep about folk on over £100k a year losing out. Boo hoo.

Chonk · 03/07/2024 10:29

It's the fact you have a mortgage OP. The Tory government is happy to pay a landlord's many mortgages for them (on behalf of the tenant) but won't offer the same support to a homeowner who is struggling. If you were renting you'd very likely be entitled to UC.

Coffeerum · 03/07/2024 10:26

I’m just curious at these posts of others saying if dh earned under 100k we would be better of cuz of the ‘help’ - is there something I’m missing!!

It as a childcare thread, surely it’s pretty obvious that the thing you are missing is that you don’t actually use childcare so it doesn’t apply to your.
There are varying amounts of 15/30 hours available at different ages but you don’t use childcare anyway so it’s irrelevant and based on your income I don’t think you work enough to be eligible even if he was in childcare.

Strictlymad · 03/07/2024 10:25

Peppermintpatty56 · 03/07/2024 10:23

Op you will find that once your DS gets DLA then you will be entitled to more support. UC has a disabiled child element and also a carers element, once you’re awarded to these, then your entitlement goes up significantly. I know from personal experience how frustratingly long the DLA wait is, but make sure you apply for UC again once you have the award as you will be eligible.

Thank you! Application went in in March so fingers crossed decision soon!

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Peppermintpatty56 · 03/07/2024 10:23

Op you will find that once your DS gets DLA then you will be entitled to more support. UC has a disabiled child element and also a carers element, once you’re awarded to these, then your entitlement goes up significantly. I know from personal experience how frustratingly long the DLA wait is, but make sure you apply for UC again once you have the award as you will be eligible.

Strictlymad · 03/07/2024 10:20

Thank you all so much for your insight! I see now it’s a highly complex system with so many ins and outs it’s a bit pot luck where you fall! And the posts this week were very specific! I just wanted to be certain we weren’t missing anything in our circumstances! Fingers crossed the dla approves and comes in and then I can apply for carers to replace my wage deficit. Even I can offset the constant costs of trains to London hospitals it would be a huge help.

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Gogogo12345 · 03/07/2024 10:17

Ozanj · 03/07/2024 09:25

Not the point but how is your mortgage only 900/mth in the south east??

Depends when you buy the property. Mine was £240 a month but was bought in 1997