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Please help - MIL issues :/

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alexis97 · 02/07/2024 16:06

Hi fellow mums, I'm looking for a bit of advice.

My little girl is being tested for ASD, I absolutely adore her and she is my world, she is coming up 3 end of the year and I couldn't be prouder of her.

I've never liked being away from her, and the longest I ever have been is a night only a handful of times since she was born. I get so sad dropping her off at nursery but so excited to pick her up at night and I think about it all day. I have 2 children and I'm just as protective with my other little one.

My MIL wants to take her away for 3 nights and I just can't bring myself to do it, it's not the fact I don't trust her I'm just not ready to leave her that long, I will worry and be so distressed. I know she'd be taken care of and I've explained that to MIL but she thinks we just have an issue with her and we don't trust her which resulted in an argument. I've tried explaining but it's not working. How do I approach the situation? I'm not saying yes just to keep her happy knowing I won't be. I've done that too much.

Thank you ladies :)

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Julyshouldbesunny · 03/07/2024 15:35

No decent dgm would want to upset her dgc or it's dm by insisting they be split up. More so a non verbal dc... My ds is 9 and has slept out 6 times. Of his own choice from about 6 years old. He decided he was ready.
And he is NT...

comedycentral · 03/07/2024 15:34

This sounds like a difficult situation, and I agree that she acted unfairly. In the long term, it might be beneficial to try and reach a point where she does support things like overnight stays and respite care. I've read so many MN threads where people don't know how they would cope if they suddenly needed an operation or were called for jury service. They often feel overwhelmed and unsupported, waiting years, if not forever, for official respite and care from the state. I am not siding with your MIL; she is acting like a child, but think about how this could work in the future. How could you work towards accepting this offer of support in the future.

alexis97 · 03/07/2024 15:26

Greatmate · 03/07/2024 09:39

@alexis97 You need to stop trying to pacify her now. What she is proposing is not in your child's best interests and your decision is s not going to change. If she shouts at you id tell her I will not be talked to like that and hang up the phone. If your at her house then leave.

You are her parents. You know what is in her nest interest. It's your decision to make. If MIL doesn't like it then she can lump it.

She responded to my message reaching out an olive branch saying she understands, but then told my husband she wants 2 days or so to cool off and then to talk calmly to us. I think she's hoping I change my mind.. nope not happening. I've always let things slide when I'm not happy and I don't think people in the family like that I'm now fighting my corner

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DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 03/07/2024 14:00

From previous posts you've given her plenty of contact time including one overnighter. You are not prohibiting their relationship or inhibiting your DD's independence in adulthood by waiting until you are both ready.

Someone who tries to get their way by shouting at you because you said no politely, then makes a big display of sulking and ignoring you and then spreads unflattering lies about you to the rest of the family, is someone with major behaviour issues and I wouldn't trust them.

It shows a complete lack of respect for you as a mother. I would feel that if you asked them to do things with DD in a certain way (which you developed due to day to day experience) that they wouldn't listen and would instead impose their own way of doing things, and that would be a concern.

You are in charge of what's best for your DD, and if you think both of you are not ready yet that should be good enough for anyone. Treating her GDs mother badly is not a great way for her to build a relationship with her granddaughter if that's what she's trying to do. She should be wiser than that.

So what if she has a sulk. Let her. She's not in charge of you. Why should you endure all this angst and then do what she says in order to make her stop, making yourself anxious and miserable in the process? It will only reinforce it in her mind that this is her best method to get what she wants.

She will get over her sulk eventually and life will go on.

Greatmate · 03/07/2024 09:39

@alexis97 You need to stop trying to pacify her now. What she is proposing is not in your child's best interests and your decision is s not going to change. If she shouts at you id tell her I will not be talked to like that and hang up the phone. If your at her house then leave.

You are her parents. You know what is in her nest interest. It's your decision to make. If MIL doesn't like it then she can lump it.

Roselilly36 · 03/07/2024 08:20

alexis97 · 02/07/2024 22:01

I have explained so nicely, she shouted at me in her kitchen today about it, then I explained again and so did my husband. Now she's ignoring my messages, I'm being so kind and trying to extend an olive branch and I'm just being ignored and spoke about behind my back, she's implying to family she's not allowed to see her which isn't the case. This is the first time I've said no she's always been allowed to take her out and out to families houses and has had her overnight I just don't want her away for 3 nights :(

Don’t be bullied by a selfish MIL, it’s your baby, you need to put your foot down because if you don’t, these demands will get worse. Tell your partner to tell his mum it’s not happening, stand up to her. If she’s upset, then it’s of her own making. Sorry you have been upset and getting the silent treatment, but let her get on with it. Good luck going forward OP.

itsmylife7 · 03/07/2024 01:14

So she's had her overnight and how did that go,were there any issues?

MaterCogitaVera · 03/07/2024 00:44

alexis97 · 02/07/2024 21:18

We did and she responded "she might be autistic but she's not disabled" she's very vulnerable and she doesn't understand danger, she will run off and explore, she's non verbal, she can't communicate her feelings and she headbumps objects and the floor when she's distressed. It wasn't a decision we took lightly :(

Ugh. In that case, I have no possible useful suggestions. I’m so sorry. ASD is absolutely a disability, and your DD is very lucky to have parents who are working hard to make sure that is properly accommodated. I was so hoping that your MIL just hadn’t joined the dots about this, and would have a lightbulb moment if it was explained in those terms. But no, she’s just one of the many people who don’t get what ASD means.

I really hope MIL gets her head sorted, because otherwise she’s only going to make everything harder and harder for everyone, until one day she’ll be on mumsnet saying “I did everything right, why don’t I ever see my grandkids?” You’ve done everything you can to help her understand. She needs to finish that journey on her own now, because it sounds like you’ve been beyond patient.

From an ASD adult who wishes people had understood her as a child, thank you so much for protecting your DD. It will make such a difference to her entire life.

Runnerinthenight · 02/07/2024 22:58

VictoriaEra · 02/07/2024 21:43

Agreed. Mine were the same. They always stayed with me and they’re all confident professionals now.

Ditto. The first time mine were away from me was a school trip when they were 11. Didn't hold them back in any shape or form.

Runnerinthenight · 02/07/2024 22:57

StMarieforme · 02/07/2024 21:35

God you all hate MOLs don't you.

You all forget that you will likely be one, one day...

Wise up.

Runnerinthenight · 02/07/2024 22:54

alexis97 · 02/07/2024 21:18

We did and she responded "she might be autistic but she's not disabled" she's very vulnerable and she doesn't understand danger, she will run off and explore, she's non verbal, she can't communicate her feelings and she headbumps objects and the floor when she's distressed. It wasn't a decision we took lightly :(

The wee pet. If MIL doesn't understand this, she can't be trusted to take care of your little girl. Stand your ground.

Mine never stayed over with grandparents. We lost my parents when they were still quite young and we lived an hour away. I wouldn't have left the ILs in charge of a hamster. Not that they ever offered anyway.

It's your MIL's loss if she takes the hump! You have enough on your plate without her childish tantrums.

Noseybookworm · 02/07/2024 22:51

You've explained your reasons so just leave it now. I wouldn't go pandering to her and I would expect her to apologise for yelling at you. Tell your DH this and let him deal with her from now on. You're under no obligation to let her have your little one for 3 nights away and you don't have to put up with being shouted at or spoken to rudely. It's ok to stand your ground calmly and firmly.

BlueBlahBlah · 02/07/2024 22:37

“No sorry MIL, we tried to be civil and offer an explanation to help you understand but you refused to listen. So listen and understand this: NO. The end.”

GabriellaMontez · 02/07/2024 22:30

She's ignoring you.

That's a great result.

Leave her to sulk. Don't reward this behaviour with any further response.

The conversation is over. She'll be back when she wants something.

Babbahabba · 02/07/2024 22:21

Depends on the child. DS would've gone off with a stranger on the street for a week if they offered him a toy or sweets. He was never clingy in the slightest- very laid back, friendly, sociable. DD has never spent a night away from me or her dad- she's quite clingy and shy. Both happy, loving and securely attached kids, just very very different personalities. I'd have sent DS away with a second thought but would've said no to DD as I know she'd be very upset and miss me/her dad too much. Personally I can spend quite a bit of time away from my kids without it affecting me. I love them both fiercely but I've always worked full time, had an active social life and now share custody of DD 50/50. I'm not saying my way is the right way but now DS is an adult and I don't see DD half the week, it has definitely benefitted me always maintaining my own independence and sense of identity outside of being a mum.

BabyFedUp445 · 02/07/2024 22:14

You stand your ground, especially given your update. End it with the olive branches, you've done enough. MIL needs to learn you are the parent, when you say no, you mean no. That her like a toddler.

I'm sorry she was so angry with you. Tbh my parents are the same. They are the most wonderful, caring parents and grandparents...until you say no to something and WW3 follows. It's a control thing.

alexis97 · 02/07/2024 22:01

Roselilly36 · 02/07/2024 19:29

aww your DD is very little, of course you don’t want her away from you for 3 nights, even with MIL. It’s not a matter of trust, it’s that neither of you are ready. Say no and explain why, MIL is a mum, I am sure she will understand.

I have explained so nicely, she shouted at me in her kitchen today about it, then I explained again and so did my husband. Now she's ignoring my messages, I'm being so kind and trying to extend an olive branch and I'm just being ignored and spoke about behind my back, she's implying to family she's not allowed to see her which isn't the case. This is the first time I've said no she's always been allowed to take her out and out to families houses and has had her overnight I just don't want her away for 3 nights :(

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VictoriaEra · 02/07/2024 21:43

Username1010 · 02/07/2024 16:19

Just say no.

Let her huff and puff. I wouldn’t let this worry you in the slightest and I wouldn’t dream of letting my three/four/seven/eight year old go anywhere unless completely necessary.

Forget this lark about having to loosen the apron strings. You absolutely never have to do this. My kids are finishing primary and have never stayed away from me for a night. They are independent, confident and outgoing kids

If MIL wants to spend time with your DD, she can stay a night in your house with you and DD.

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Agreed. Mine were the same. They always stayed with me and they’re all confident professionals now.

StMarieforme · 02/07/2024 21:35

God you all hate MOLs don't you.

You all forget that you will likely be one, one day...

StMarieforme · 02/07/2024 21:34

Julyshouldbesunny · 02/07/2024 20:21

Surely you simply don't reward a tantrum?
Mil had her own dc. .
Remind dh that.
Or suggest he buy his dm a Baby Annabele and she can play House with that.

How nasty.

This poor grandma wants to be an active part of her grandkids' lives, and you're talking about her like she's Malificient!

OriginalUsername2 · 02/07/2024 21:19

Just reiterate that you have said there is no problem with her, it’s just that you’ll miss her too much for that long, and that’s all it is. Ignore the upset. A reasonable person would back off.

alexis97 · 02/07/2024 21:18

MaterCogitaVera · 02/07/2024 19:16

I had undiagnosed ASD and was distressingly homesick as a kid, regardless of who I was with. I still get upset by the thought of being away from home even now, even when it’s for a lovely holiday that I know I’ll enjoy! I’ve learned that it’s just my ASD brain getting discombobulated by the change in routine. But learning how to manage that for a small child means getting advice, so I think you need to wait for the diagnosis and see whether someone can help you work out what’s appropriate and most likely to be successful.

Is your MIL receptive to the potential ASD diagnosis? If so, could you try something like the message I’ve written below? (I know it’s very conciliatory, but it does sound like you love your MIL in most ways, and want your kids to be close to her; sorry if I’m wrong about that aspect of it.)

”MIL, I’m so sorry that you’ve been hurt by our decision about DD being away from home. Will you let me try to start again with an explanation of how we’re thinking right now? At the moment, you know we’re waiting for DD’s ASD assessment. We want to wait until that’s done before we make decisions about how ready she is for sleepovers and trips away. If what we suspect is right, and she’s on the spectrum, it’ll mean that she won’t always react to things the way typical children do. It would be horrible if she gets distressed by being away from home the first time she goes away with you (which we’re told is very common for ASD kids, even when they’re with beloved family), because she might then become resistant to going away at all. We want to get advice from the experts about what will work best for DD, so that we can all support her learning to love being away from home and spending one-on-one time with you in ways that work best for her.

We know you want the best for DD too, although we totally understand that our decision has been a disappointment. I’m sorry that we obviously haven’t expressed our concerns about the assessment clearly before this, and we hope we’ve been able to explain better that this is actually a decision that we hope will encourage DD to develop a close, confident bond with you. Please believe that we trust and respect you as her GM; we just feel that all of us (me and DH too!) need to hear from the ASD experts before trying any big changes to DD’s routine.”

We did and she responded "she might be autistic but she's not disabled" she's very vulnerable and she doesn't understand danger, she will run off and explore, she's non verbal, she can't communicate her feelings and she headbumps objects and the floor when she's distressed. It wasn't a decision we took lightly :(

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alexis97 · 02/07/2024 21:15

BabyFedUp445 · 02/07/2024 18:58

No. Just no. She is too little and you don't want to be away from her.

You are the mother, you get to veto these things. You didn't have a baby so MIL can play pretend she had a cute kid for 3 days.

I don't trust in laws who are so forceful and determined to have toddlers on their own. Something about it isn't right. They probably idealised this time and I would doubt whether they realise how hard work they can be and how closely they need to be watched.

My little girl is non verbal, she can't communicate her feelings and what she needs. She headbumps the floor when she's sad or objects. We have a paediatrics referral coming up as well as other professionals supporting us. It wasn't a decision we took lightly. She shouted at us and had a go at us that we don't trust her but she's the only person we've ever trusted to take her out, we let her take her to see family and pick her up from nursery early even though we pay extortionate fees. This is the only time we've said no, I guess she's been used to yes for so long. She really treated me unfair this morning and was really awful. I texted her asking if she's okay and explained again and she just ignored it. I can't honestly believe this because we made a decision I'm pretty sad 😔

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Aquamarine1029 · 02/07/2024 20:50

LuckySantangelo35 · 02/07/2024 20:02

This! @Aquamarine1029

I already responded to that and there is no "this." The op made no mention that she expects free childcare from her mother-in-law, and even if the mother-in-law did occasionally watch the child, that doesn't mean she can do whatever the fuck she wants.

LuckySantangelo35 · 02/07/2024 20:35

Don’t burn your bridges with your MIL OP! There WILL be times when you wanna go out with your mates or your partner or whoever and will be wanting her to babysit!