The "terrifying threat from Labour"

I advise those who believe that the Tories are the party of economic stability to watch Tim Harford’s documentary Skint: The Truth about Britain’s economy of Channel 4.

Why do you think major donors who used to give to the Conservative party and big business are now donating to Labour? It is because Labours policies will build a strong economy. You need a strong economy to pay for public services.

The current conservative party show zero understanding of the economy and even less interest in it.

@Proudtobeanortherner if you do read the IFS statement alongside it

I can’t see how they will fund their apparent spending
increase

then you need to read their manifesto, it is fully costed.

I think my problem is that I can’t see how Labour will be any better and I can’t see how they will fund their apparent spending
increase and just at the moment my biggest worry is for my girls flying the nest and Labour not protecting them. To be honest Labour actively not protecting them because “men” have it worse. I’m afraid of it all being far worse than it is now 🥹😥😳

You're confusing socialism with collectivism, they are not the same thing

Japan is a capitalist country with a collective philosophy

A socialist economy with an individual philosophy results in abuse and corruption, you'll just get a lot of people sitting around drinking all day, businesses getting fat off the state while socialising their losses, and a lot of resentment rather than a fairer society. This has happened recently with our benefits system, the NHS and the bank bailouts.

Socialism worked well in the post war era because there was a cohesive society where people were willing to act with honesty and integrity for each other. They didn't abuse the benefits system or the NHS. It was shameful to be on the dole.

Similarly the reason it works better in places like Finland is because their population sizes are much smaller than ours and more cohesive, 5 million v 70 million. You wouldn't use the same principles for running a 5 person business as you would for a 70 person business.

At the moment I don't think it matters what socialist policies the UK implements as the societal fabric of the country currently isn't strong enough to support them without corruption. Labour are fixated on individualism and identity and have no sense of collectivism.

Ironically, only the far right are offering some elements of what you're asking for. Low immigration and a sense of national identity. I'm not a supporter of the far right btw and wouldn't advocate voting for them, I will vote Labour. But if you're expecting the UK to become a collective society via Labour you're quite a way off the mark.

The situation for women is horrific. Ridiculously low rape convictions, lack of funding to rape and domestic violence organisations, lack of legal aid, lack of refuges, lack of decent medical care, lack of mental health services, astronomical rents and cost of living keeping women in abusive relationships. And on it goes. Given the circumstances, it's pretty brutal to vote Tory.

I can lobby as I wish and I’d like legislative change for women and children. Many businesses are risk averse when it comes to litigation from TRAs, which is enabled by current unclear legislation.

But can you clarify will there be any female spaces where men with a GRC can enter under Labour? And if that’s a no what happens when a male with a GRC does enter a public female space?

Can you say specifically what the outcome would be

If you are talking about womens rights, what I want most is for rape convictions to soar. At the moment rape is effectively decriminalised as there is so little chance any rapist will be convicted. Rapists know at the money if they rape a woman the chances are nothing will happen.
I also want refuges to be properly funded so that no woman that they judge to need urgent accommodation, gets turned away. Many are turned away, in some cases multiple times. Research shows a sizeable number give up trying to leave their abuser.

@EasternStandard as you will know, very few have a GRC. Very few people. There are exemptions in place for services like refuges and rape crisis. For toilets I am seeing some places now having a women's and a gender neutral toilet - men's is gender neutral. I think that is a reasonable response.
There are virtually no public toilets left in the City I live in anyway, they have been closed all over the country. What is left is largely in private buildings that make their own policies. Lobby them if you are not happy with their policy.

I wouldn't agree that VAWG comes from Gender Ideology. It comes from misogyny and hatred. It's awful for women right now, i just find the conversations centering around the TW/WR side really redundant in the face of what else we as a sex are facing.

It’s not just about refuges.

If you understand better than others can you say where men with a GRC will have access under Labour?

It is because half of those shouting about this do not understand that there are already exemptions under the law. I have read the law and guidance and I understand it. Refuges are making a choice when they admit trans people. Although some may not understand the law.

And none of you seem to care that we need a strong economy to pay for good public services. The Conservative government have destroyed our economy. Major donors who use to give to the Conservatives and big businesses are now giving to the Labour government. Because they understand Starmers party policies will create a strong economy.
Or do you all think public services can be funded from thin air? We need a strong economy. We do not have one. Vote for Starmer to get one.

Yes, I posted on another thread today about getting pelvic inflammatory disease because I couldn't get an appointment to have my coil removed.

Compare the cost of a ten minute appointment with a nurse with the cost of an ambulance, a visit to resus, a ten day stay in the hospital, all the antibiotics and painkillers I needed, a CT scan, the follow up appointments I needed with the GP, etc.

They saved themselves a few quid by spending thousands.

I wish half this amount of campaigning went into holding our government to account on falling rape conviction rates

@JaneV1984Madness there have been major cuts to shelters/refuges under this government. Women with children who are being abused can no longer get a place.
Rape has been virtually decriminalised under this government. Or does rape of a woman only matter when the perpetrator is a Trans person?
Refuges already have an exemption under the law, some just choose not to use it.

Rape Centers should be and will be single sex, this example has been given. In reality, a man in a dress in a rape center will not make it worse for that woman. Considering most likely she's been attacked by a partner, ex, family member or friend.

Just because you believe this is the biggest issue does not mean it is true. The vast majority of the population do not agree with you that it is the biggest issue. Even among GC it's not universally believed to be the biggest hurdle women are facing. In reality, the amount of women who are attacked is outrageously high. We as a society need to fix that. Single sex spaces will not save more lives than effectively investigating and prosecuting offenders.

YABU to use the term supermajority. It’s not a thing in the context of Parliament. It makes no difference as long as there’s a clear majority and nobody got all upset when Johnson had an unassailable 80 seat majority. You’ve bought into a Tory scare tactic. I’m sick of this sort of nonsense from them.

@Alwaystired94 its disingenuous or perhaps short sighted to imply that a woman in a shelter for abused women has to contend with a man in a dress :that won't make it worse for her.

Women at the bottom of the pile having extra threats piled on then :won't make a bad situation worse.

Even a tried nurse at the end of a tough shift being subjected to unpleasant perv behavior because some one can legally say, I belong in here..

This is like the Brexit bus all over again. Lies told to people who do not understand economic policy so they will vote against their own interests.
And major ex conservative donors and big businesses are now donating to the Labour party because they understand Starmer is a far better bet for a strong economy.

OP, YANBU. Those of you who are 'terrified' of Starmer would be better employed being terrified of Donald Trump and what he will be able to do when people who are 'terrified' of Biden elect him.

Starmer is a centrist. The current policies show the Labour government understands the economy. That is why major Conservative donors and big businesses are now giving to Labour.
I believe in strong public services. But to pay for them we have to have a strong economy, lots of jobs, and decent levels of pay.