The "terrifying threat from Labour"

Well put.

@BigWordAtlas
FWIW I find myself largely in agreement with your points.

And what is scary about Angela Rayner?

agreed. which is why i hate women stating they are voting for the Tories because of womens rights... it's like ok cut your nose off to spit your face.

conservatives have got a lot to sort but Labour omg .. they are a weird bunch
Their transgender mess is an insult to women and the transgender community

There will be no way I would have vote Labour .. Raynor is scary also .. Reeves couldn’t even describe a woman
look it up on Google .. just like Stammer she got in bits fgs … Nick Ferrari LBC radio interview.. Disturbing stuff
it comes to something when I need to think about the party I want absolutely categorically out than I want it and I’m willing to chance the tories again because with Labour we are doomed

when will people realise that socialism doesn't work?!

Possibly when some of the richest, most successful, happy countries on the planet are not Socialist, and there's some element of truth to the garbage statement that "Socialism doesn't work?!"

How's 45 years of UK Neoliberalism "working" out? From where I'm standing, it's an absolute fucking shitshow.

You're right, don't care what's going on in private schools.

So long as they are not the Tories, I couldn't give a monkeys what the next Govt. does.

Well the country is a smoking mess. There's nothing positive to say about their time in office. All they can do is say it will be worse. The cheek of them talking about women's rights when the Trans Trojan horse happened under their watch is astounding. Nevermind the devastation they've caused to women's lives through austerity.

It does seem to be very much "Labour are worse" rather than "this is how we are good"

which all parties have been guilty of this cycle but at least the others actually advertise their policies also. All Conservatives seem to be on SM is talking about Labour.

If you go on conservative twitter (which to me seems totally unhinged but I understand it doesn’t to everyone) then it is quite interesting how they seem to seed themes (‘supermajority’ is the current one) that are basically aimed at causing fear, rather than talking about hope for the future.

labour also have some weird shit on theirs but I would say compared to the conservatives, much less wacky. I mean, the conservatives have a gif of Keirs head as a lightbulb, exploding, it’s fucking weird.

@Mycatsmudge
I still remember the winter of discontent in 1978 when Labour were in power and over powerful unions and the far left held the country to ransom and chaos ensued.

That was 46 years ago! Organisations, including political parties and Trade Unions, change hugely in that time frame

So why are you worried about 1978? Starmer purged the party of the Left,and you'd know what's been going on if you read a broad range of papers.

I read lots of different newspapers for a range of views and opinions including The Guardian, The Times, Daily Mirror,The telegraph, The Sun and The Daily Mail.

I can also make up my own mind.

I’ve worked in negotiating with trade unions in the very recent past.

I can confirm that they still operate in the same manner. Any strikes you see going on could easily be resolved if it were not for far left unions. I understand and agree with the need for unions but somehow they are like catnip for extreme socialist leaders hellbent on maximum destruction with no regard for the user of whatever service it is.

I remember Trade Unions too. I remember what power they had. There is absolutely no comparison to be made between then and now. You should buy a different newspaper.

I fear the Keir Starmer has made a Faustian bargain with the hard left within the Labour Party which they have hidden from the electorate until after they are in government. Once there they will dictate what Keir Starmer can do. I still remember the winter of discontent in 1978 when Labour were in power and over powerful unions and the far left held the country to ransom and chaos ensued. My primary school closed for a month because no fuel was delivered to heat it due to strikes. The electricity would go off in the evenings mum would struggle to scrape a meal together and we would sit in the dark.

I spoke to my DPs yesterday about this and they said they remember the winter of discontent well including the mountains of rubbish piling up on the streets because the bin men were striking and how in some places the dead weren’t buried. They also said they felt intimidated in the factories they worked in to go along with the union position even if they didn’t agree because they would be bullied and cancelled otherwise. They are also fearful about what a Labour government beholden to the far left could do now. They said when Tony Blair got elected in 1997 it was in totally different circumstances. Tony Blair didn’t have a far left faction to contend with as Thatcher had reduced the power of the unions and Neil Kinnock had already dealt with the far left within the Labour Party. Blair had also inherited a healthy growing economy with money to spend on public services.

I agree public services and the NHS are in a state but I also believe far left activists within the civil service and NHS have been working to create and maintain chaos so the public will think this is all the Tories doing and I agree the Tories have been asleep at the wheel and not dealt with this. Once the Labour Party gets elected the far left will then pull the strings of their puppet Keir Starmer to dance to their tune
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

You won’t be asked to pay more tax at those levels. The manifesto is clear on that.

I am on a zero hours contract

I don’t see why paying more tax is going to get me more

Interested in knowing what this more looks like

What extra public services will I benefit from by having less money in my pocket.
I have adult children, I am on UC but that only amounts to around £320 per month and most of the time I earn more which means I usually get £0 from UC

If I don’t work then a £320 per month “safety net” doesn’t look very much like a safety net

Even if someone has housing benefit etc it might not cover the whole rent and if someone is reliant on coming out with a certain amount and then they are getting less then UC aren’t going to cover all off the short fall.

I think you are out of touch with how these things work

@BigWordAtlas

"In terms of this, the third space campaign isn’t women’s to run."

I agree, and said so in my post.

A practical solution to a practical problem needs to be reached, without women giving up our single-sex spaces.

First of all The Labour Party has to admit this is a problem and tell us loud and clear before the election they will create 3rd spaces for trans people. However, their stance is still TWAW so they can access women only spaces and biological women’s safety will be put at risk because not all those who will obtain a GRC will be harmless

On the subject of trans women, which tends to dominate these threads.

Many trans folk present very convincingly as feminine women.
Some not so much.
Most trans women are totally harmless and just want to live their lives, with respect, in line with the wider population.
A small minority are potentially dangerous, in line with the wider population.

And no, it’s not women’s responsibility to give up their single-sex spaces in order to solve where trans women go to the loo, or get changed, or access healthcare, or indeed go to prison.

HOWEVER it IS society’s issue to solve where trans women do these things, because no one could surely think it’s acceptable, or safe, for feminine trans women to have to use a men’s public toilet, or changing room.

And it can’t be beyond us to find a practical solution, to what is for the most part a practical problem.

But it is difficult. It would involve extra loos and changing rooms, and hospital beds, and money. And legislation to protect women who want female-only healthcare professionals.

That’s the hard bit, and no one, from any political party, has an answer to this yet.

Having said that, I do believe that Labour has woken up, and the penny has dropped. And I would trust them to take this issue seriously, as opposed to empty rhetoric from the Tories.

What about those on zero hours contracts, those on poverty wages who need them topped up by universal credit. Doesn’t matter how hard you work, if you need top ups with UC you can’t have savings of more than £6,000.

Im using our family income to illustrate that we are within the suggested target of Labour. I don’t believe those on a knife edge will be adversely affected, I think they will benefit by better services.