The "terrifying threat from Labour"

Re the rich I think it depends how rich... Extremely rich people, can be very fluid in where they live and move too.

The idea the rick are terrified of a Starmer Labour government is rubbish.
Traditional Conservative major donors and big businesses have donated to the Starmer Labour government. They are doing so because they know his plans will improve the economy and boost business.

Giving young people the right to vote in elections is not gerrymandering. There is no objective reason why we set the voting age at 18; it has dropped over the years. Until 1969 you had to be 21 to vote.

On the other hand, the Conservatives really have been gerrymandering, and have admitted to it. They brought in voter ID because they thought that young people would be less likely to have it; they discovered that it was old people who didn't have it. Jacob Rees-Mogg has literally admitted to this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65599380

The left have FAR more influence than the right. In fact, I don't know how the left can complain about bias and keep a straight face! They dominate everything!! The 'long march through the institutions' is pretty much complete. The left dominate the BBC, the universities, the arts, the publishing industry, even the libraries. For crying out loud, just wander through Waterstones and you'll see book after book attacking British history and British heroes. The media in this country is overwhelmingly liberal-left. If you really want to be a counter-cultural rebel, you have to be a patriotic conservative!

I regard myself as a moderate conservative. Actually, I'd say 'left-wing conservative' best suits me. But I am terrified of what's coming, and I say that with my hand on my heart. We are about to elect a socialist government with a massive majority. Obviously they will wreck the economy, that kind of goes without saying. But they will also do nothing to control immigration. On the contrary, it will get worse. Some Labour activists believe in open borders ffs. If the Tories let in 750,000 people in one year, what the hell are Labour going to do? If they have a huge majority, they'll disregard any protests and open the floodgates. That means endless, and I mean endless, house building. Make the most of those fields where you walk your dog. In fact, make the most of any quiet rural spot where you go to escape the noise and traffic, because after ten years of Starmer, central and southern England are going to be covered in ghastly rabbit hutch houses jammed on top of one another.

Terrified of Starmer, that’s a bit strong!
Our household income is around £140k a year. We’re voting Labour. Can’t bloody wait to get the tories out. The only thing that worries me about Starmer is that he’s not left enough.

Do I think we might pay more tax? Possibly. Do I think that might lead to a better NHS and education system? Almost certainly. Along with lifting a significant number of school children out of poverty. The Tory policies we now have are a ticking time bomb and sure to cost us far more money in the long run. Children are getting a shite education which means they they won’t be fit for work, they’ll lead unhealthy lifestyles so there’ll be a burden on the NHS and society. Vulnerable families are not getting any support so swathes of children are being raised who will spend a lifetime bouncing in and out of prison at huge expense to the rest of us.

I’ll be honest, I don’t see how things can get much worse unless Farage gets in!

Higher earner here, very happy to pay more under Labour for decent public services. The only thing that terrifies me is more Tory government

The VAT policy isn’t Blair-like

I’d say gender stuff isn’t either but the GRA was 2004, they lacked foresight

The harder part for Labour now will be to meet spending expectations with no Blair PFI or boom, which led to bust

But also a rising dissatisfaction with border stuff which we’re seeing in the EU. I think Starmer could face an issue with that

@Mycatsmudge Oh no!!! International treaties!!! We can't have those international treaties that negotiate peace and support international trade.
I know you are just scare mongering to people who do not understand what you really posted. But some people do make a lot of money if we have more wars and more people dying. I would like to see an international peace treaty that stopped war in the Middle East, especially involving Israel and Palestine. But you are obviously afraid Labour might do that and want no extra international treaties/
I would also welcome an international treaty that dismantled some of the trade barriers British businesses have with Europe. The amount of red tape is ridiculous. But you would prefer for that red tape to remain.

The issue with targeting the rich is that they can afford to get on a plane and go anywhere in the world
To then pay for all the stuff money has been spent on as “the rich” have gone, it’s those on under £50k who cannot move who end up paying for it

Be very careful of what you wish for

Always tired, don't you think it's bad enough for women?.
Don't you think it's already bad enough, and yet your happy to now see a legal definition corrupted and changed to include any men who want to?

On the World At One there was a Tory politician claiming that if Labour won there would be a "one party state run by socialists"

If a Tory MP cannot tell the difference between a one party state, and a multi-party state where one party wins a big majority in free and fair elections, then they deserve to lose.

It is political illiteracy.

I had the same thing happen once when I asked a question 🙈 I don't like how Keir Starmer doesn't seem to know his own mind on the gender issues. I won't be voting labour for a number of reasons.

I’m terrified that the Labour Party will continue to change our constitution by adopting more international laws and treaties and handing policy making and decisions to quangos, NGOs and local government. This will shift power from parliament and limit the ability of both houses and the electorate to hold them to account. This started to happen in the Blair government and this is why civil servants can quote international laws and treaties as reasons for not complying with ministerial instruction because they override UK laws

Im terrified Labour will give 16 year olds the vote. This is gerrymandering and designed to keep Labour in power just like Mandelson admitted the Blair government increased immigration because immigrants tend to vote Labour

I’m not Tory HQ by the way, just an ordinary middle age married mum working in the NHS and living in the suburbs

Doo ok you think this is likely?

IMO it can't get any worse. The tories have destroyed the country. Sunak is only in my default like Liz Truss was. They have clung on to the bitter end. It's going to take years to sort out the shitshow left behind from the Tories, I wish I could immigrate!!
Sunak will have plenty of time to watch his Sky TV soon. I'm sick of hearing about his parents working, what about him?! He grew up with top education, and every opportunity available to him. Hard work won't save the people his party has plunged into poverty.

I would love to see him volunteer to go on one of those life swap shows, and have to live on nothing!

Rape has effectively been decriminalised by the current Conservatives. That is an issue that concerns me far more.
Or do you only care about rape if the perpetrator is trans?

I do wish that people realised that there is no such thing as a "supermajority" in our political system. It is a term from the US system, but here, if you have a majority you have majority. I guess this was the one part of the conservative campaign that didn't fail massively.

If we get a centrist Labour party like the one under Tony Blair then I think we'll be fine.

If we get a left wing version then I really do fear the worst 🌈

@Startingagainandagain

Many countries across the world and the eu are suffering after the global pandemic, Ukraine war and so on. A French lady was interviewed shortly after macron snap election and she moaned about exactly the same things we do.

People don't blame Blair and Brown for the credit crisis.

It's not healthy in any democracy to have one party going on and on and on. We must have checks and balances and change.

I'm happy to have a new administration, new eyes, fresh approaches and try new things.

However unfortunately seeing and hearing keir responses to the trans issue and his top team remind me of the bad things in the Blair and Brown days.
It's a very simple clear cut issue but all we have had is obfusticstion so on not convinced they will bring us what we want as a majority at all

No it isn't. The Rape crisis, cost of living and our healthcare system are some of the biggest. These are what the majority of people care about.

Oh my goodness, that would be hilarious were it not so worryingly stupid.