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Slowhorses1 · 02/07/2024 13:05

DD 8yo wants to cut off all her hair. I KNOW this isn't something I should get steamed up about. I had short hair as a kid, it grows back etc etc.
BUT for some reason I care. If Im being honest I really don't want her to do it. She wants to have hair like Bill in Mallory Towers, but DD hair is fine and straight. She keeps saying she wants 'boys' hair.
Ive booked her into my hairdressers on saturday, and Ive tried to look at inspiration photos but I cant find anything that doesnt make me shudder a bit.

I dont know what my problem is. Please have a word with me, and also tell me what to say to the hairdresser!

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kickerconspiracy · 02/07/2024 16:21

Slowhorses1 · 02/07/2024 15:09

ive been thinking so much about this. I think if the trans issue didn’t loom so large generally I probably wouldn’t be giving it a second thought. It sounds totally daft but it’s hard not to read into any subtext given the current climate around gender etc.

Does this have anything to do with the Bill character being played by a non binary actor in the stage production of Malory Towers a few years ago?

Buffysoldersister · 02/07/2024 16:11

As someone with fine, straight hair it looks so much better short. Let her do what she wants, although I would get the hairdresser to explain to her how the cut she wants can - or can't - be adapted to her hair type/face shape so she isn't disappointed.

KreedKafer · 02/07/2024 16:09

Slowhorses1 · 02/07/2024 15:09

ive been thinking so much about this. I think if the trans issue didn’t loom so large generally I probably wouldn’t be giving it a second thought. It sounds totally daft but it’s hard not to read into any subtext given the current climate around gender etc.

But you're massively reinforcing gender stereotypes if you make her think that only girls who want to be boys can have short hair.

If you're worried about 'the trans issue' then the thing to do is just let her know that girls can still be girls with short hair.

TaraT28 · 02/07/2024 16:07

KreedKafer · 02/07/2024 16:04

Am I missing something, because I really, really don't see the problem with a short haircut?

I don't remember anyone worrying about this when I was little, and I was born in the 70s. Lots of girls had short hair - at least one-third of my school year had short hair when I started secondary school, and the sky did not fall in. Have we gone backwards or what?

I was thinking the same thing. I think we have gone backwards and feel like this trend is not reversing any time soon. I wonder when girls will again be expected to wear dresses all the time unless they are trying to make a statement.

KreedKafer · 02/07/2024 16:04

Coconutter24 · 02/07/2024 13:13

I have to admit if my daughter wanted that haircut I would also be doing everything to talk her out of it. Will she agree to slightly longer like a long bob?

Am I missing something, because I really, really don't see the problem with a short haircut?

I don't remember anyone worrying about this when I was little, and I was born in the 70s. Lots of girls had short hair - at least one-third of my school year had short hair when I started secondary school, and the sky did not fall in. Have we gone backwards or what?

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 02/07/2024 15:55

If she does a radical short cut now and hates it, she's only 8, it'll grow back.

If you stop her now she'll do it when she's older which could cause a lot more upset (if she doesn't like it, I mean).

Just let her. Of the images you've picked out, I think they're all nice.

DamnitImTired · 02/07/2024 15:42

I think it’s more important to explain to her that the pictures and people in magazines are people with their own type of hair and their own facial features so she should expect it to not look exactly the same. I’d be worried about the expectation vs reality. There may be disappointment. Then let her do what she wants, she may like it or it may be a valuable lesson in learning about self image and what you see in the media.

FatmanandKnobbin · 02/07/2024 15:31

Slowhorses1 · 02/07/2024 15:09

ive been thinking so much about this. I think if the trans issue didn’t loom so large generally I probably wouldn’t be giving it a second thought. It sounds totally daft but it’s hard not to read into any subtext given the current climate around gender etc.

This is the perfect opportunity for discussion and positive reinforcement though.

She can be a girl and have short hair, or you could send the message that girls don't have short hair.

One of my younger dds (9) lives in joggers and tshirts from the boys section. We have talked about how boys and girls sections of clothing is stupid and you just like what you like, and she's totally fine with it, same with clubs, she's the only girl on her football team, and rugby team, same discussions were had around sport at their ages and its totally fine to enjoy whatever clubs she wants.

She's totally comfortable with being a girl, despite people asking if shes a boy (and she has very, very long hair) we do have a close trans family member so she is fully aware of the topics around trans folk as well.

Honestly, how you handle this will give her some of the tools she needs for the rest of her life. Let her have the haircut, give her phrases to say to anyone who is negative, if she hates it then it will grow out and she's learned a lesson, if she loves it then she's learned about how she feels comfortable and what she feels suits her.

Slowhorses1 · 02/07/2024 15:09

ive been thinking so much about this. I think if the trans issue didn’t loom so large generally I probably wouldn’t be giving it a second thought. It sounds totally daft but it’s hard not to read into any subtext given the current climate around gender etc.

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EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 02/07/2024 15:06

Just go with it, it's only hair, the message you send her is far more important than hair, which will grow back anyway.
This. My DS wanted a haircut I really dont like, but he got it, its his hair not mine. Bodily autonomy is such an important thing to learn. A friend of DDs had all her hair shaved off except a short fringe. I think her parents did the right thing letting her get the cut she wanted. She's happy and confident, I wouldn't say it exactly suited her but she carried it off.

kwetu · 02/07/2024 14:54

My dd had hers cut shorter donated over 13 inches to wigs for kids, and within 12 months she had it cut shorter and shorter till its exactly like what your dd says she wants, it was so hard watching her hair going, almost like she was self sabotaging, but my dd absolutely rocks her new look now, and it's been amazing watching her own personality and self esteem growing and developing.

BobbyBiscuits · 02/07/2024 14:52

When I was a kid I always had short hair. I wanted a really neat bob but that never worked as my hair was fine and I didn't want to style it.
An Irish nan salon gave me a Gary Barlow flattop, against my consent once when I was 13. Not my finest moment!

Abitlosttoday · 02/07/2024 14:51

FatmanandKnobbin · 02/07/2024 13:22

I've always let my dd have full say over her hair, over the years she's had long hair, undercut, shorter on one side, bob, every colour you can imagine, buzz cut.... she has grown up (well 16 now so almost) knowing that she has full autonomy over her body, she has been through so many phases she knows what she feels comfortable with, and what style she feels best in.

Just go with it, it's only hair, the message you send her is far more important than hair, which will grow back anyway.

I agree with all this. Also, she'll likely look gorgeous. Kids' faces are beautiful with short hair. I am trying to persuade my daughter (4) to have Dora the Explorer hair. I'd love her to crop it too. You can wear any style when you're little. I had mine cut like Jennifer Aniston when she went short, I was 16. I hated it so much but actually, looking back it looked fantastic! Let her own it, love it, hate it, whatever. It's good for her.

TaraT28 · 02/07/2024 14:45

It is great that you DD wants to do something different. It seems like this a rare in younger girls these days.

I would however be careful in going too short all at once, as you do not want her hating it. My suggestion would be to agree that she gets a shorter cut that leaves some length and waits a few weeks. If she still wants the shorter style after that she can return and have the length cut off. As others have mentioned, hair grows back.

Slowhorses1 · 02/07/2024 14:36

@Recuperation7 this is probably at the root of my worry tbh. But she doesnt have any online access. She only watches tv and we monitor her use strictly.

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Fraaahnces · 02/07/2024 14:27

Can we get her another book series with a different spunky heroine maybe? Harry Potter? (Clutching at straws)

TheHorneSection · 02/07/2024 14:27

Sort of like this

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TheHorneSection · 02/07/2024 14:25

DD wanted hers boy short but with fine hair and a double crown it was never going to work without a ridiculous amount of styling every day that I knew she wouldn’t do.

We've compromised on boy short one side, bob the other side. It avoids the double crown issue as there’s still enough weight at the back, and looks absolutely fabulous. How about something like that?

Recuperation7 · 02/07/2024 14:21

Roundroundthegarden · 02/07/2024 13:17

Sorry I think it looks awful and especially with fine straight hair even more so. Why does she want this style so much. I have an 8yo and tbh I really don't think that if they are going to look a bit silly you have to go along with it.

Surely it suits some people and not others, depending on their face shape?

Some young girls can look lovely with a gamine pixie cut.

They don't all have to be clones!

And it will grow out in three months or so.

I'd just be careful op about the on-line influences that your DD is accessing ATM as she is insisting on "boys hair". Maybe explore a bit with her why she wants to look like a boy and what's wrong with looking like a girl for example? Eight is not too young to be influenced by trans rhetoric.

MatildaTheCat · 02/07/2024 14:17

Have a word with the hairdresser. Would your DD be allowed to use products in her hair or want to spend ages styling it? Those ‘beach head’ styles are actually really difficult to achieve with fine hair unless you use a lot of product and spend ages with the blow dryer.

Bearybasket · 02/07/2024 14:12

Let her have it cut it how she wants!
My parents were very controlling about my hair and I wish they’d let me get the unflattering hair cuts that I wanted to suit me out the way when I was your dds age rather than in my 20s

Slowhorses1 · 02/07/2024 13:51

@Roundroundthegarden This is what Im trying to tell her! I actually think it would be really hard to look after, and would instantly get annoying as soon as it started to grow out.

I wonder if there is a way that I could get the hairdresser to suggest another style.

I found these images, the first two are most similar to her hair and also the style she said she wanted.

But Id rather she did something like the third image.

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Roundroundthegarden · 02/07/2024 13:42

Op I have thin and fine straight hair too, I had long beautiful hair and decided I wanted to go short. Think I was around 8/9 and fought my dm hard to do it. So she let me and I went for a very short bob kind of hairstyle, similar to what your dd wanted.
It did not suit me and I was in tears for weeks, I looked like a boy and short hair is Really hard to set and style too!
I remember crying so much not wanting to go to school. I'm 42 now and have never had short hair again! Think I was traumatised lol.

Slowhorses1 · 02/07/2024 13:28

Maybe I need to question her more about why she wants it like that? I just dont want to make her feel self-conscious.

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Pocketfullofdogtreats · 02/07/2024 13:28

Please let her. Ask the hairdresser to have a word with her about how best to adapt that style fir her hair.

I wanted long hair (shoulder length) as a girl but my DM had it cut. I've never understood why she wouldn't let me.