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Don't vote reform

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Crispynoodle · 02/07/2024 11:20

Obviously I can't tell you who to vote for but then there is this:

news.sky.com/story/second-reform-candidate-quits-and-backs-tories-over-racism-and-misogyny-13162247

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cardibach · 02/07/2024 21:51

caringcarer · 02/07/2024 21:45

I don't agree. If you work hard and pay tax on your earnings, then you save, I don't think its reasonable to pay tax on the same money when you die. That's double taxation. I want to be able to leave money to my DC not have the chancellor take it to give it to unemployed people who have no intention of ever getting a job.

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You don’t pay ineritance tax, quite obviously. Your descendants do. They didn’t earn it. Or shouldn’t you pay tax on your earnings because your boss/the company already paid tax on the money they use to pay you?

Kendodd · 02/07/2024 21:47

God, just read some of this thread and am absolutely agog at the shite some people believe. I suppose we're living in a time of flat earth/ anti vaxxers/ climate change deniers/ we don't need experts know it alls.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2024 21:47

Anonym00se · 02/07/2024 21:46

Corporation tax is 10% in Bulgaria, yet it has the lowest GDP in the EU. I don’t think your theory works.

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It’s low in ROI which has done well with multinationals and surplus

caringcarer · 02/07/2024 21:47

Anonym00se · 02/07/2024 20:25

You do understand that they’re only saying they’ll stop illegal immigration? Farage has accepted that we need legal immigration. So that’s less than 30,000 people per year. That’s less than 100 people for every council in the UK, or about 4 for every GP practice in the uk. It will make fuck all difference to you getting a doctor’s appointment.

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You are very naive if you think immigrants all go evenly around the country. Try living near Birmingham or Bradford and getting a GP appointment. I bet you don't live in an area with very high immigration.

Anonym00se · 02/07/2024 21:46

caringcarer · 02/07/2024 21:35

When corporation tax is low it encourages large companies to set up in the UK creating so many jobs. It skills up workers too.

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Corporation tax is 10% in Bulgaria, yet it has the lowest GDP in the EU. I don’t think your theory works.

SunnieShine · 02/07/2024 21:45

No matter what their views, I doubt anyone has changed them as a result of reading this thread.

caringcarer · 02/07/2024 21:45

Shortfatsuit · 02/07/2024 20:07

If you leave over a million, then your estate is in a minority and it's reasonable to pay it.

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I don't agree. If you work hard and pay tax on your earnings, then you save, I don't think its reasonable to pay tax on the same money when you die. That's double taxation. I want to be able to leave money to my DC not have the chancellor take it to give it to unemployed people who have no intention of ever getting a job.

LadyCrumpet · 02/07/2024 21:45

Kendodd · 02/07/2024 21:37

Who's going to do all these jobs? We have a low birth rate, aging population and reform are massively anti immigration.

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Maybe, these new companies could be encouraged to pay a decent wage and people can afford to have one parent at home again and our population will increase.

Add in the money freed up by not putting up God knows how many people in hotels, and all the other associated costs, there will be more money for social housing, community projects, state nurseries, etc and people will be happier and more secure, therefore leading to an increase in population again.

MrsSkylerWhite · 02/07/2024 21:44

Scammersarescum
Racist. Misogynist. Led by the donkey that led us to Brexit and pushed by Putin. You'd have to be very gullible “

You’ve answered your own question. Stupidity, basically,

Farting · 02/07/2024 21:41

VoteOutToHelpOut · 02/07/2024 21:33

They might win a few seats, but they won't win the GE.

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They might this time, and if they don’t, eventually they will.

The only way out is through.

Notaflippinclue · 02/07/2024 21:40

Reform will give both major parties a good kicking and something to think about - they can't ignore what's going on in Europe

Auvergne63 · 02/07/2024 21:38

cupcaske123 · 02/07/2024 16:51

Let's hope France does the right thing. I'll be thinking of you all during this time.

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Thank you.

Kendodd · 02/07/2024 21:37

caringcarer · 02/07/2024 21:35

When corporation tax is low it encourages large companies to set up in the UK creating so many jobs. It skills up workers too.

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Who's going to do all these jobs? We have a low birth rate, aging population and reform are massively anti immigration.

caringcarer · 02/07/2024 21:36

ilovesooty · 02/07/2024 18:32

I used a unisex toilet in a museum on Sunday. I've lived to tell the tale. I very much hope the incoming government will increase both inheritance tax and capital gains tax.

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During the Labour conference many female MP's were spotted using the toilet at M&S so they obviously didn't share your enthusiasm for mixed toilets.

caringcarer · 02/07/2024 21:35

Anonym00se · 02/07/2024 18:29

Because it would cost about over 100 billion that we don’t have, and the lowest earners would be slightly better off while the rich would be massively better under Reform’s plan to slash Corp tax to 15%. It’s the rich who will reap the benefits, not the poor, according to the IFS.

And they reckon they can fund this by cutting our public services. How? There are hardly any left? The NHS and Social care are the likely targets. Maybe we should leave pensioners to die in their homes. It will save us a few quid.

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When corporation tax is low it encourages large companies to set up in the UK creating so many jobs. It skills up workers too.

VoteOutToHelpOut · 02/07/2024 21:33

Farting · 02/07/2024 21:27

So am I. I hope they win.

I think Friday will be a surprise for a lot of people living in an echo chamber.

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They might win a few seats, but they won't win the GE.

Farting · 02/07/2024 21:28

TreadLight · 02/07/2024 20:30

I’m voting reform in the hope that the centre left and centre right parties will start listening to the valid concerns of the electorate and get out of their Westminster bubble.

That won’t happen, but I’m voting reform too.

Farting · 02/07/2024 21:27

caringcarer · 02/07/2024 11:32

I'm voting Reform UK. I don't tell others who to vote for or who not to vote for. We live in a democracy.

So am I. I hope they win.

I think Friday will be a surprise for a lot of people living in an echo chamber.

TipsyNewt · 02/07/2024 21:25

LifeofBrienne · 02/07/2024 20:28

There was no way that putting up arbitrary barriers between us and our biggest trading partners, increasing bureaucracy and expense, would not have had a massive negative impact on the UK economy. The idea that we could negotiate some amazing deal was always a fairy tale.

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Yup.

It's easy for Farage to promise unicorns, as he's never been in a position of responsibility for delivering them - much like Reforms "contract" (which of course, is not a contract).

LifeofBrienne · 02/07/2024 21:14

The result of Brexit had nothing to do with Nigel Farage?
The guy who made his career off campaigning for it, and lied that it would be good for the UK?
It was never possible for negotiators to go to Brussels and come back with anything that wasn’t significantly worse than what we had pre-Brexit.

cardibach · 02/07/2024 20:56

LadyCrumpet · 02/07/2024 20:43

That still doesn't negate the fact that they didn't even try to negotiate anything worthwhile. Labour are just as culpable for that too. So the result of brexit had nothing to do with Nigel Farage.

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Ummm…how are Labour culpable when the Tories absolutely refused to let them be involved?
Brexit was always going to be shit. Haven’t you realised yet there’s no good Brexit? So in fact Farage bears a huge responsibility.

LadyCrumpet · 02/07/2024 20:43

LifeofBrienne · 02/07/2024 20:28

There was no way that putting up arbitrary barriers between us and our biggest trading partners, increasing bureaucracy and expense, would not have had a massive negative impact on the UK economy. The idea that we could negotiate some amazing deal was always a fairy tale.

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That still doesn't negate the fact that they didn't even try to negotiate anything worthwhile. Labour are just as culpable for that too. So the result of brexit had nothing to do with Nigel Farage.

Shakeoffyourchains · 02/07/2024 20:40

LadyCrumpet · 02/07/2024 19:38

Farage didn't broker the deal we got nothing from. If they'd have negotiated it properly we might not have the shit show we've currently got.

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I doubt Farage would have achieved anything better given behaviour as leader of the Brexit party during negotiations.

Plus he has all the principles and restraint of an untrained labrador left alone at a buffet. Remind me, how much does he take from EU taxpayers each year for his EU pension?

IfImOnFire · 02/07/2024 20:32

TreadLight · 02/07/2024 20:30

I’m voting reform in the hope that the centre left and centre right parties will start listening to the valid concerns of the electorate and get out of their Westminster bubble.

I'm sure that will be of great comfort to all the people who will suffer racial abuse and hate crimes from those emboldened by Reform's popularity if it comes to pass. Like all the people who got told to fuck off back to their country the day after Vote Leave won.