Kier Starmer - what he'll be like as a PM

Absolutely.

There's going to be some disappointed people on here in a few years.

He's going to be a terrible PM. Pathological liar who can't make his mind up on anything.

Well you're obviously the cool voice of reason.

And I want a PM who respects everybody in the country, women, immigrants, trans people...everyone! I do not want our country to be governed by a person who doesn't at least try to be respectful and fair to everyone. I think Starmer will be that PM.

Starmer made it clear during the ITV debate that men can't become women and won't be admitted to single sex spaces even with a GRC. What else do you want the bloke to do? I'm GC myself and have been for years and even I think once someone has gone through gender realignment surgery they should be allowed to live fully as the opposite sex. This constant banging on and on about 'he doesn't even know what a woman is' is really irritating. It takes a totally reductionist view of how women are impacted by other party policies and we have been negatively impacted by Tory policies, particularly austerity, time and time again. AND Sunak is only using the gender debate as a dogwhistle to appeal to the hard right.

I agree. I think he has integrity and fundamental decency and I admire him for taking on a task which is going to be anything but easy. I believe he's hard working, intelligent and tenacious. I think he'll continue to rid the party of subversive influences and won't tolerate anyone who doesn't behave with honesty.

It would be good if his wider potential as PM could be discussed without being derailed by the GC stuff.

This. It's been years and fucking years of hot air and sound bites and greedy, self-advancement. I'm ready for some substance and decency and I think Starmer has those things in spades.

You and the other GCs have lost this so far.

You really have.

No one fully backs your opinion and your obsessiveness of shoehorning it in everywhere makes people less likely to listen to you.

Oh and I could go back to the fact that you don't really care about women and girls, but then that's getting boring.

🙄I'll be sure to quote you to my trans friends and see if they feel respected by you.

@mansplainingsincethe90s
Knowing that sex is binary and immutable is not disrespectful to anybody. In fact it's disrespectful to pretend otherwise.

Here's what former Chief Prosecutor, Nazir Afzal OBE has to say:

Take it from someone who worked with Starmer, he never “clocks off”

He was always available to discuss casework 24/7 but he was also clear about his staff having a work life balance to increase productivity

As DPP he saw the biggest increase in convictions on a range of crimes

I agree. I know many bright, educated young women who are very GC, but the issues most important to them for the election are health, education, cost of living. Palestine in some demographics.

For the less well educated/informed women I know, gender issues are barely on their radar at all.

No, there are no absolutes and your sticking to this utterly dogmatic idea turns people off your arguments.

BTW did you the see the surveys posted on another thread? GC issues came very, very low on what people are thinking about this election.

No one cares, you've failed to influence anyone.

A comedian recently said he looks like the manager of an up north Asda.

😁

Trouble with charisma, is that it's often wrapped up in an ego the size of a mountain. I'm done with egotistic bully's who put themselves first above all else. They just love being in power for the sake of it. Not Keir.

Copied from a story in the Economist this week:

"If the labour party wins the next election, its government will be notable in one respect. Our review of the shadow cabinet’s biographies suggests that four people, or 13%, of its 31 members attended independent schools. Barring a big reshuffle, that would make it the cabinet with the most state-educated members since at least 1945. Rishi Sunak’s first cabinet in October 2022 was 61% privately educated, based on a tally by the Sutton Trust, an educational charity".

Or he believes sincerely that trans people should be respected like anyone else.

Yes, I should’ve clarified that it’s only on a Friday. Yet the Tories appear not to realise, almost like they’re lying about it, or something?

I think Keir will be good. I am 99% sure he'll be better than the last 5 or so Tory PMs.

Re the women with penises thing. I think this is nonsense, same as many on here. However it's naive to think he can just say this without losing loads of votes. Many many of my otherwise lovely, educated friends, colleagues, work contacts in other organisations etc have pronouns on their emails, and that's not to mention the massive youth vote. One slip in either direction on gender ideology and Labour could lose the election, so I actually have some sympathy with them sitting on the fence on this. Also the Tories have done nothing practical to solve it in the past 14 years and are only using it as an election soundbite (which won't lose them votes as they have a different voter base).

He is a dick and it will be proven very soon. A wet wipe puppet of Davos. Literally licking their arses in an interview where he was saying Davos are his first priority. Good luck to all you delusional people who think he will be any good 😊

OK fair enough, but she'll still be swallowed up by the corruption in Westminster.

I meant the unelected ordinary people. Why are people not looking to their own communities for inspiration, when the party politics and centralised systems haven't worked for decades. So much energy wasted on pointless Tory-Labour battles it's exhausting.

Indeed. This from the party who gave us a PM who didn't show up for half the Cobra meetings he should have, preferring to hob nob and party with his cronies. At least with KS, you'll know that when he says he's working he's actually working and, I should think, working bloody hard too. Of course there will be times when, as PM, he'll need to be contactable and show up at all hours. But that doesn't mean it should be the 'norm'. Only a government in complete chaos, or in the throes of a national emergency, needs an omnipresent PM. The Tories are desperate: "highly principled, competent, hard working man puts family first" is hardly a hanging offence. I wish there were more of these kinds of men being spoken about on MN, instead of the selfish, entitled, high earning, 'important', family avoiding twats we so frequently read about. But then I suppose they'll all be off to vote Tory anyway.

Good article, paints an attractive picture of Keir Starmer as leader of the country.

I think he'll be popular, especially on the international stage, where Britain has lost great influence since Brexit, and due to our unreliable, inconsistent and at times offensive leaders over the last decade

I kbwo someone who worked for him at the CPS. Apparently he's absolutely cut throat and not a push over at all. Fair, but stands for no nonsense.

I am, I really like our female Conservative MP and am voting for her (Alicia Kearns).

Well my female conservative MP is a total waste of space who blocks everyone who dares to disagree with her and only wheels herself out if there's a photo opportunity. So I definitely won't be voting for her.