Kier Starmer - what he'll be like as a PM

@ilovesooty

"I think history will be kinder to Brown than the current climate is.

And in my opinion he's head and shoulders above all the PMs since."

Absolutely. And the thankless work he has been doing since in tackling child poverty.

Meanwhile Cameron was lining his pockets and getting the Tories to bail out his employer, and trousered $10M in the process.

Yes, I'm working with 25 schools whose PFI contracts are about to come to an end. They might save some money by taking their buildings in house, but they also inherit a massive workload they haven't previously had to manage and most will need to employ people with the skills to do it. Plus their buildings are beautifully maintained, compared to other schools in the LA.

Absolutely desperate messaging. Can’t wait for this to be over and to see a decent, clever, principled person in no10 at last.

Wtf is this revolting crap about Starmer being blackmailed for being secretly gay? I’ve seen some low and stupid stuff on here but that takes the (Mumsnet) biscuit.

PFI wasn't such an issue till the the coalition government cut real terms spending increases. It was actually a very good way of building new hopsitals efficiently with private expertise. They over paid, but by god we needed the new hopstials and schools after 18 years of Tory rule. As most PFI contracts come to an end, the state is taking back full control of well maintained, well serviced buildings.

The successes of the Labour years, far outweigh the bad things.

Thanks for posting that.
I was voting labour anyway, but if even half of that is true, then it confirms I'm making the right decision.

Forgive me dibby I mistakenly atted at you and coolant delete it.

@Oblomov24.
To be honest that "statement" " gives me small hope because I think it's the first time he's used clear language on this issue..
That is a hook now to hold him too.

I honestly don't believe this issue has been on his radar and I don't believe he's understood the profound threat to women it poses. He's not been interested in it at all.

Jane from london, JK and Duffield and so on have dragged it under his nose and his top teams nose and maybe now he does get it? They have been lambasted with questions on this all the time.

My worry is, yes to safe women only spaces but what about intimate care and nurses and all of that?

Yes he maybe bluffing to sweep up women's votes but now he's come out and said that in clear language, he can be held accountable, on that at least.

and in other things that never happened.

"I cannot help you"

Means you can't explain.

The rest of it? Excuses.

You don't really care about women and girls. There are far bigger issues.

This is cover for whatever you want to be.

Well. We have the 2004 GP contract to start with. Blair let them opt out of out of hours care! so we now have the circus that is 111 who seem to direct everyone to A&E rather than to a locum gp sat on his arse earning a fortune. Then didn't Blair take is into some war under false pretences 🤔, then there was the PFI disaster and etc etc etc..

Okay, fair enough when you give examples. I agree re PFI: Brown didn't invent it (Major did) but he made too much use of it, as well as choosing unsuitable partners, albeit to a lesser extent than subsequent Conservative governments with outsourcing agreements.

The GP contract was part of a larger reorganisation that was (predictably) not completed, with the intention of shifting a proportion of care from hospitals to the community. It was a bad deal, but it did less damage than the 2013 Lansley re(dis)organisation, which the NHS seems unlikely ever to recover from.

The Iraq war was a disaster. But it was opposed by more Labour MPs (about 25%) than Conservatives, who were wholeheartedly in support of it.

I think history will be kinder to Brown than the current climate is.

And in my opinion he's head and shoulders above all the PMs since.

@Dibbydoos@Dibbydo

Brown and his banking rescue package saved the country, and the government has made a nice profit from the investment too.

So much potential. So wasted. All my friends who are barristers say the word , up in London, in all the chambers, is he is being blackmailed? Has he done something really really bad in a previous life? Is he secretly gay and worried about it coming out, so being blackmailed. They literally can't see any other possible reason for it.

Came to power, so bright, so clever, so much potential. Done nothing. So wishy washy. so clever, when you meet him, which many of my friends do, regularly as they are legal - either barristers or solicitors, they all say he's charming, bright. Not when you see him speak on stuff he isn't. It's like he's had a personality transplant.

And did you hear him with Jane re the trans and his' twaddle'? Nice one Jane. But she humiliated him, because he was so weak and naff.

Now he's come out with somethig a bit stronger today.

"Sir Keir Starmer has said transgender women do not have a right to access female-only spaces, amid confusion over Labour’s stance on which lavatories trans people should use.
The Labour leader said biological males who have legally transitioned should not enter areas designated for women, insisting those spaces “need to be protected”."

I'm not sure I can trust him anymore though. I wanted to, years ago, but he's failed me too many times.

'Blair and Brown are/were neither executives of multinational banks nor lunatics like Liz Truss. So I don't get what you're talking about when you refer to their "fuck[ing] the country up".

Well. We have the 2004 GP contract to start with. Blair let them opt out of out of hours care! so we now have the circus that is 111 who seem to direct everyone to A&E rather than to a locum gp sat on his arse earning a fortune. Then didn't Blair take us into some war under false pretences 🤔, then there was the PFI disaster and etc etc etc..

That’s your opinion. I disagree and do not share your view. I despise what Boris Johnson did whilst PM too fwiw.

As is using one's inherent gut instinct. It has served me well multiple times in life, acting logically would have got me into a few tricky situations.

Thank you for the life lesson though, much appreciated.

If you even have to ask how they fucked the country up I cannot help you.

Here's a hint: they didn't. You're mistaking them for Cameron, Johnson & Truss.

he’s going to be the worst we’ve had since Blair and Brown fucked the country up.

Blair and Brown are/were neither executives of multinational banks nor lunatics like Liz Truss. So I don't get what you're talking about when you refer to their "fuck[ing] the country up".

On the other hand, Cameron, Johnson, Truss and Sunak have systematically destroyed everything they could get their hands on, while May could achieve nothing because of being locked in a war with her backbenchers over unsuccessful attempts at negotiating a deal to leave the EU without wrecking the economy.

I think he resigned didn't you know? He isn't actually a candidate.

Same to you.

If you have a problem with women talking about something that affects them on a majority female site take it up with mnhq

Plus I’m sure there’s other sites that don’t cover it at all and prioritise men

If you even have to ask how they fucked the country up I cannot help you.

your penultimate para about if I really cared about the rights of women and girls etc well if you cannot define what a women or girl is then there’s your problem, if you cannot accurately define them, you cannot help them with any of the issues they face or make their lives better. It’s really not difficult to grasp this basic point.

judging by your responses on this thread you’re not the sort of poster I’m usually minded to engage with either.

Glad to hear that you're having a good day.

Our perceptions of manners differs. We know that. I'll continue to say what I'm saying. If you have a problem with that you can take it up with MNHQ.

Labour certainly have an agenda but whether it will be good for the average worker only time will tell. Starmer has rewarded the loyal SPADs by parachuting them into seats they can easily win. His will be a government full of MPs who don't have any real world experience, which I find profoundly depressing. They will be a certain type, with a certain arrogance and absolutely fuck all knowledge about anything outside their narrow career and friendship cliques. He could easily end up being the UK's Macron and we all know who that will usher in in 2029. If there's a chance a third candidate can win in your constituency, a Green, a Lib Dem, a really good Independent then vote for them.

A Labour win? Yes. A Labour super majority? No thanks. We need an actual opposition. Labour have pretty much got rid of anyone on the left so there will be no dissent coming from within the ranks. Remember it was the left who voted against the Iraq war, for all the good it did. The right wing warmongers were with Blair all the way. If Labour get 450+ seats, its an effective dictatorship.