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Kier Starmer - what he'll be like as a PM

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Dibbydoos · 02/07/2024 05:34

So this is the first time Ive seen anything written about Kier Starmer and I like the man described.

Am I being unreasonable?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/how-keir-starmer-s-past-shows-what-he-would-be-like-as-prime-minister/ar-BB1peeCe?ocid=nl_article_link&cvid=68253a8bd44444739b56e177e78f2264&ei=21

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AnitaLoos · 02/07/2024 15:40

Oblomov24 · 02/07/2024 15:15

@AnitaLoos
Why are you so dismissive of the possible blackmail idea? It has been, is being discussed atm, discussed in chambers by barristers, quite a lot. Only teasing about the gay bit. Wink But seriously they are honestly staggered, cant work it out. can only assume he is being blackmailed, because there is not many other explanations as to why such a good man, incredibly clever man, could be so non-achieving since he came to power as leader of labour. He did so much good stuff prior to becoming leader. But since not so much. And recently even less. No one can understand it, and they talk about it a lot.

Why? Are you too in london chambers, as a barrister? To dispute what I said. Are you there now? Wink
Do you think these discussions are not going on? Law society members, other solicitors who know him, think he's incredibly bright, have seen his earlier fab legal work. But cant grasp why on earth he isn't still doing it?

You should be ashamed of yourself for peddling/repeating these desperate, toxic, homophobic gay blackmail lies. Starmer was elected leader of the Labour Party only four years ago. That is not being ‘in power’ because, as you may have noticed, Labour was not ‘in power’. The way our system works is that the party with almost any majority runs the country unopposed. That’s why the stupid Tory ‘supermajority’ scaremongering is meaningless. However, Starmer inherited a busted flush of a party that had been comprehensively rejected at the polls. During his tenure he has not only exposed Johnson’s lies which led to his ignominious defenestration but utterly transformed the Labour party which is now on track to win the next election with polls showing a massive lead over the Tories. This was literally his job as LOTO and I’d say he has exceeded all expectations. If ‘barristers in London chambers’ ‘can’t grasp’ that rising to become Prime Minister is being successful then they are idiots and I don’t think that they are.

Sossijiz · 02/07/2024 15:35

bergamotorange · 02/07/2024 06:51

It is terribly bad manners to criticise spelling.

I don't agree, but it definitely is bad manners to spell someone's name wrongly when it would be so easy to look it up.

annabelindajane · 02/07/2024 15:26

cupcaske123 · 02/07/2024 13:27

Sir Keir keeps Friday evenings clear as his wife is Jewish

WTAF is that meant to mean?

Edited

Shabbat sunset on Friday until sunset Saturday.Jewish day of rest

Parrotcoop · 02/07/2024 15:19

Oblomov24 · 02/07/2024 15:15

@AnitaLoos
Why are you so dismissive of the possible blackmail idea? It has been, is being discussed atm, discussed in chambers by barristers, quite a lot. Only teasing about the gay bit. Wink But seriously they are honestly staggered, cant work it out. can only assume he is being blackmailed, because there is not many other explanations as to why such a good man, incredibly clever man, could be so non-achieving since he came to power as leader of labour. He did so much good stuff prior to becoming leader. But since not so much. And recently even less. No one can understand it, and they talk about it a lot.

Why? Are you too in london chambers, as a barrister? To dispute what I said. Are you there now? Wink
Do you think these discussions are not going on? Law society members, other solicitors who know him, think he's incredibly bright, have seen his earlier fab legal work. But cant grasp why on earth he isn't still doing it?

He's about to deliver (if polls are correct) the largest majority ever. How is that "nothing"?

KatyaKabanova · 02/07/2024 15:16

AhNowTed · 02/07/2024 15:12

This thread is wild.

Apparently Starmer's responsible for the state the country's in!!

It's bonkers!

JaneV1984Madness · 02/07/2024 15:15

The definition of what it means to be a woman is key.
Once that goes it will be worse for everyone.

Oblomov24 · 02/07/2024 15:15

@AnitaLoos
Why are you so dismissive of the possible blackmail idea? It has been, is being discussed atm, discussed in chambers by barristers, quite a lot. Only teasing about the gay bit. Wink But seriously they are honestly staggered, cant work it out. can only assume he is being blackmailed, because there is not many other explanations as to why such a good man, incredibly clever man, could be so non-achieving since he came to power as leader of labour. He did so much good stuff prior to becoming leader. But since not so much. And recently even less. No one can understand it, and they talk about it a lot.

Why? Are you too in london chambers, as a barrister? To dispute what I said. Are you there now? Wink
Do you think these discussions are not going on? Law society members, other solicitors who know him, think he's incredibly bright, have seen his earlier fab legal work. But cant grasp why on earth he isn't still doing it?

AhNowTed · 02/07/2024 15:12

This thread is wild.

Apparently Starmer's responsible for the state the country's in!!

DisappearingGirl · 02/07/2024 15:12

JaneV1984Madness · 02/07/2024 13:09

@DisappearingGirl..

I disagree. It's not a women with penis "thing".
. It's a fundamental attack on freedoms and liberties not won over time but that we still trying to win.

The world came under this wave and people were confused and stonewall and the like took hold.. The difference between labour and tory is that tory now recognises this and Rishi has been very clear about it.
Starmer has not and we know stonewall is a party supporter.

Myself and myself children and my girls have a right to have intimate care of given by biological women if we choose
If we are already vulnerable on an NHS ward (from illness and at risk form poor protection NHS gives against abuse and attack) we have the right to be along side biological women.

Very soon speaking out about this will be called a hate crime... Look at the one nurse in Scotland and the group of nurses... This will get far worse and our powers to raise this in a democracy will be removed.

I mean, I agree with all of your points. However I'm trying to be pragmatic about it. The choice as I see it is:

a) Vote Labour who are trying to avoid inflaming either side of the gender debate so much that they lose the election, and will probably go on to try and find compromises between both sides if they win the election

b) Vote Tory which I think will be more shit for everybody including women

I am opting for a), but you are free to opt for b) and I do understand why - it's just (on balance) not the choice I am making.

KatyaKabanova · 02/07/2024 15:09

AnitaLoos · 02/07/2024 13:20

Pathological liar?

I know. Talk about wild claims.

Parrotcoop · 02/07/2024 15:09

Oblomov24 · 02/07/2024 15:05

@Bignanna
I'm talking about SINCE he became leader. Most were optimistic, thinking 'here we go, finally', but since he became leader he hasn't actually done that much. Many are disappointed.

What did you want him to do as leader of the opposition? I mean, if the polls are correct he couldn't have done much more!

KatyaKabanova · 02/07/2024 15:08

Oblomov24 · 02/07/2024 15:05

@Bignanna
I'm talking about SINCE he became leader. Most were optimistic, thinking 'here we go, finally', but since he became leader he hasn't actually done that much. Many are disappointed.

What has he failed to do as Leader of the Opposition? Do you think he didn't oppose very much?

KatyaKabanova · 02/07/2024 15:08

Captainmycaptains · 02/07/2024 14:50

The Times also had a reported follow him around for 3 months and wrote an article and the conclusion seemed to be that he’s a decent, hardworking bloke who cares about making a difference, understands what it’s like to work to where he is, has a great sense of humour one in one, but can be a bit stiff on camera…
I can think of worse people for the job… like every bloody Tory ever for starters…
I don’t need someone who can quote Catullus in a jaunty manner I need some one who’s going to put their head down and get on with some work

Quite. There's a level of desperation on here - very little evidence, just seeing him as a challenge to Conservatism, which is obviously problematic for some.

AhNowTed · 02/07/2024 15:07

Oblomov24 · 02/07/2024 15:05

@Bignanna
I'm talking about SINCE he became leader. Most were optimistic, thinking 'here we go, finally', but since he became leader he hasn't actually done that much. Many are disappointed.

He's not in government! He can't "do" anything.. that's the other lots job.

Oblomov24 · 02/07/2024 15:05

@Bignanna
I'm talking about SINCE he became leader. Most were optimistic, thinking 'here we go, finally', but since he became leader he hasn't actually done that much. Many are disappointed.

Parrotcoop · 02/07/2024 15:05

Anjo2011 · 02/07/2024 14:54

He talks a good one but I have no faith in any of them tbh. It won’t take long for him destruct something. Not everything will better. Unfortunately.

It won't. A big difference from the last Labour government is that there's no money. Last time they were able to throw money at fixing the damage done by the previous government and they did. Anyone working in health or education would love to return to those days, but they won't be able to do that this time.

They need something like an extra £20bn just to stand still on public services, so don't worry there'll be plenty of opportunity for you to say I told you so as they attempt to deal with the impossible situation the tories have left. Which of course is why they're not even trying to win.

Huifen · 02/07/2024 15:00

I'm looking forward to having a hard working, decent, seemingly competent principled man in charge of this country. I think he's going to be the best we've had in at least 14 years ...

Bignanna · 02/07/2024 14:58

Oblomov24 · 02/07/2024 14:21

So much potential. So wasted. All my friends who are barristers say the word , up in London, in all the chambers, is he is being blackmailed? Has he done something really really bad in a previous life? Is he secretly gay and worried about it coming out, so being blackmailed. They literally can't see any other possible reason for it.

Came to power, so bright, so clever, so much potential. Done nothing. So wishy washy. so clever, when you meet him, which many of my friends do, regularly as they are legal - either barristers or solicitors, they all say he's charming, bright. Not when you see him speak on stuff he isn't. It's like he's had a personality transplant.

And did you hear him with Jane re the trans and his' twaddle'? Nice one Jane. But she humiliated him, because he was so weak and naff.

Now he's come out with somethig a bit stronger today.

"Sir Keir Starmer has said transgender women do not have a right to access female-only spaces, amid confusion over Labour’s stance on which lavatories trans people should use.
The Labour leader said biological males who have legally transitioned should not enter areas designated for women, insisting those spaces “need to be protected”."

I'm not sure I can trust him anymore though. I wanted to, years ago, but he's failed me too many times.

Done nothing? You don’t get to be DPP and leader of the Labour Party by doing nothing!

AhNowTed · 02/07/2024 14:56

Anjo2011 · 02/07/2024 14:54

He talks a good one but I have no faith in any of them tbh. It won’t take long for him destruct something. Not everything will better. Unfortunately.

There's nothing left to break.

Anjo2011 · 02/07/2024 14:54

He talks a good one but I have no faith in any of them tbh. It won’t take long for him destruct something. Not everything will better. Unfortunately.

AhNowTed · 02/07/2024 14:53

Jonathan Pie sums up 14 years of Tory shit-show

x.com/jonathanpienews/status/1808078089370349656?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

Parrotcoop · 02/07/2024 14:52

Taking us to war was an abomination and unfortunately, for him, overshadows what was otherwise a very good Blair premiership, but it was supported by Conservative MPs more than it was Labour ones.

Captainmycaptains · 02/07/2024 14:50

The Times also had a reported follow him around for 3 months and wrote an article and the conclusion seemed to be that he’s a decent, hardworking bloke who cares about making a difference, understands what it’s like to work to where he is, has a great sense of humour one in one, but can be a bit stiff on camera…
I can think of worse people for the job… like every bloody Tory ever for starters…
I don’t need someone who can quote Catullus in a jaunty manner I need some one who’s going to put their head down and get on with some work

SocksAndTheCity · 02/07/2024 14:46

ilovesooty · 02/07/2024 14:24

I think history will be kinder to Brown than the current climate is.

And in my opinion he's head and shoulders above all the PMs since.

I agree. Gordon Brown wrote an excellent article about poverty not long ago; I do wish he'd come back.

I have a couple of contractor friends who did some work at the House of Commons pre Covid. Nobody who had worked with Keir Starmer had a bad word to say about him (unlike Priti Patel, Dominic Raab and certainly Johnson).

Aladdinzane · 02/07/2024 14:40

Parrotcoop · 02/07/2024 14:38

Yes, I'm working with 25 schools whose PFI contracts are about to come to an end. They might save some money by taking their buildings in house, but they also inherit a massive workload they haven't previously had to manage and most will need to employ people with the skills to do it. Plus their buildings are beautifully maintained, compared to other schools in the LA.

Totally agree.

My last state school was a PFI and my god the facilities were well maintained.

The stuff about PFI is mostly a rote learned point though, bit like the "pension raid" they don't actually know what it was. lol