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Giving house to step-daughter?

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IsMadl · 02/07/2024 00:15

Hi all, I have one step-daughter, no biological children (could never have any). My step-daughter is 27, she got married last summer, and is expecting her first baby. Her dad and I got together when she was 10 (her mum passed away when she was 7), we married when she was 16 and have been together happily since.

Before her dad and I married I had a 3 bed semi, we live in the North but it recently got valued at £300,000. We have been renting it out since I moved in here 12 years ago. The money has funded mostly my pension and odds and ends here. I'm a primary teacher though so have a good pension as it is.

SD and her husband have been saving really hard for a house, they earn well, she in the civil service and he in finance, but they work in London and obviously it is expensive. She had about £150,000 from her mum (-uni costs, wedding costs etc.) and they are saving.
Currently the house I had is to be split between my niece and nephew when I die, the house I live in now will go to step-daughter when both dad and I pass.

To me my step-daughter is my own, I was never able to have children of my own and I think she is incredible, so smart, beautiful, funny and caring. I hate seeing her struggle to build the deposit for a nice house, in a nice area with a garden which is all she really wants. I've been thinking maybe it is time I sell the house and give her the profit, obviously it would up there deposit massively. I wouldn't do it if I didn't think she and her DH had earned it but they are lovely, kind, hardworking people.

I told my husband and he said that it would be a lovely thing to do but no pressure as it is mine. My mum and dad think it would be a horrendous idea.

AIBU to consider this?

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IsMadl · 02/07/2024 12:07

@VeryHappyBunny

I get your point, but I don't want to give my money to charity, go on a world cruise etc.
I want to help set my lovely stepdaughter up in a nice home she can raise her family in. If I need to pay 40k in tax to do that - well so be it!

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VeryHappyBunny · 02/07/2024 12:04

IsMadl · 02/07/2024 11:35

@VeryHappyBunny

What do you mean by good cause?

I'll be honest we aren't a financially savvy family but if by paying £40k in tax (a teachers salary or sick kids health bills) I can give my step daughter £260k then I'm ok with that. Then again I don't mind paying tax, I know it's often misspent but I always just tell myself that it's not my money they are misspending and move on with my life (no way of proving otherwise haha).

But it is your money and a teacher's salary won't increase and nor will health bills be paid for sick kids or anyone else, but if you support a specific charity, local hospice, animal rescue etc this amount would make a massive difference. If I have a few pounds spare I have a selection of animal rescue charities I give to.

£40K is a fantastic amount to put into a trust fund for your grandchild and would go a long way to pay uni bills etc when the time comes. Or even a world cruise for you and your husband while you are young and fit enough to enjoy it, but spend it wisely and don't let someone else waste it on your behalf.

You have paid and continue to pay plenty of tax on your salaries and other income. You would have paid tax on your earnings when you were paying the mortgage on the house, you will be paying council tax on it now and tax on the income you get from renting it out. How many more taxes do you want to pay on one house?

If you knew that any more would be spent sensibly by the Govt. then fair enough, but they chuck tax-payers' money around like its going out of fashion. Not a day goes by when some MP or minister isn't being reported for dodgy expenses claims, tax evasion/avoidance or giving their mates lucrative Govt. contracts. How many millions were squandered during COVID? They are using taxpayers' money to pay compensation to the SPM in the Post Office Horizon scandal. That money should be paid by Fujitsu who caused it, but the Govt is just giving them more contracts!!!!!!!!!! God knows how many more similar scandals are brewing.

Another2Cats · 02/07/2024 12:02

IsMadl · 02/07/2024 10:22

Oh dear I'm feeling a little confused now.
Some on this thread seem to think what they already have is plenty for a nice house, others are saying they will get a flat or 3 bed even with our help - which is it?

It depends whereabouts in London they want to buy - it's that old "location, location, location" thing.

I mentioned in another comment about some areas like Hendon or Edgware to the north. Getting the tube from these places into central London is about 30 minutes.

Some examples of houses:

Four bed semi-detached with nice garden near Oakwood Park for £900k

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/137077151#/?channel=RES_BUY

Four bed terrace with nice garden in Wanstead for £900k

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/148823129#/?channel=RES_BUY

Five bed semi with 100 ft garden in Hendon also £900k, needs some updating

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/149392364#/?channel=RES_BUY

These are just three picked totally at random in two minutes on Rightmove, there are many more.

Those who are saying that you need a lot more are likely talking about the more prestigious areas of London.

Check out this 4 bedroom semi-detached house for sale on Rightmove

4 bedroom semi-detached house for sale in Overton Road, London, N14 for £900,000. Marketed by Ellis and Co, Enfield

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/137077151#/?channel=RES_BUY

AmiShitsaline · 02/07/2024 12:01

If your parents think you have given the money to SD they may adjust their inheritance in favour of your niece and nephew (assuming you outlive your parents the DN will receive this sooner).

I think what I would do is tell your parents you have taken financial advice to sell and invest the money. Gift your SD whatever you like and no need to mention anything to your parents

perfumasour · 02/07/2024 11:48

IsMadl · 02/07/2024 10:22

Oh dear I'm feeling a little confused now.
Some on this thread seem to think what they already have is plenty for a nice house, others are saying they will get a flat or 3 bed even with our help - which is it?

Well OP it depends on what their definition of things like 'good school' is , and things they're willing to compromise on, like distance.

Good school - filled with other ambitious parents, lots of activities, etc? Or just providing the basics like a calm learning environment which in 2024 UK sadly isn't common? I mean you're a teacher so you know what I'm talking about.

A lot of 'high-achieving' parents can't afford private school in 2024 but they can buy up houses in areas around excellent schools making it somewhat private by stealth. Of course houses here will be much more expensive let alone one of the size you desire.

And then, distance. The couple are in the office 3 days a week. They can't move very far to get much cheaper housing unlike people who are in 2 days/once every 2 weeks/fully remote.

You don't need to listen to MN in this though
Surely your SD and her husband have a budget in mind?

If they cannot get what they want they'll just have to adjust their expectations.

Jamieie · 02/07/2024 11:44

MrsSunshine2b · 02/07/2024 11:15

Most people don't get £150k in cash in one go, but most people have 2 parents growing up which means either a second wage coming in, CMS payments, or a SAHP, all of which amount to something approaching £150k being invested.

Apparently parents are now contributing an average of £15kpa to children's expenses at Uni so that alone is £45k.

I mean off topic now as its a lovely thing the OP wants to do. But your point about investing £150k into someone's life through a second wage and nice clothes/holidays/food on the table or whatever else, definitely does not equal £150k cash in the bank. My kids have cost me a fortune over the years if I worked it out, but its not £150k cash in their bank, certainly not while I'm still living anyway. But it's probably £150k and way more on things I've bought, places we have gone etc etc. You can't turn those things into a house deposit though.

Mirabai · 02/07/2024 11:38

IsMadl · 02/07/2024 10:22

Oh dear I'm feeling a little confused now.
Some on this thread seem to think what they already have is plenty for a nice house, others are saying they will get a flat or 3 bed even with our help - which is it?

Entirely depends where they want to live and how much they have.

Another2Cats · 02/07/2024 11:37

Mirabai · 02/07/2024 09:48

She isn't asking for a bloody mansion, a 4 bed terrace, in catchment for a nice school and with a garden, it isn't a massive list

In my area that’s £2 million plus.

Nobody starts on that at 27 on London unless they have serious inherited money. Which she doesn’t and you don’t.

"In my area that’s £2 million plus."

But in other areas of London it certainly isn't. For example, a 4 bed detached in Wandsworth for £900k

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/147779285#/?channel=RES_BUY

or a 5 bed semi with a 100 ft garden in Hendon also for £900k:

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/149392364#/?channel=RES_BUY

Check out this 4 bedroom detached house for sale on Rightmove

4 bedroom detached house for sale in Nevinson Close, London, SW18 for £900,000. Marketed by John D Wood and Co. Sales, Wandsworth

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/147779285#/?channel=RES_BUY

IsMadl · 02/07/2024 11:35

@VeryHappyBunny

What do you mean by good cause?

I'll be honest we aren't a financially savvy family but if by paying £40k in tax (a teachers salary or sick kids health bills) I can give my step daughter £260k then I'm ok with that. Then again I don't mind paying tax, I know it's often misspent but I always just tell myself that it's not my money they are misspending and move on with my life (no way of proving otherwise haha).

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VeryHappyBunny · 02/07/2024 11:31

Mirabai · 02/07/2024 09:32

Why would you hand a large chunk of CGT to the government when you could leave it all to her with good IHT planning? It’s financially naive and clueless frankly.

You must speak to a financial advisor and IHT planning specialist asap.

I wouldn't voluntarily give any money I didn't have to to any government. On recent form they would just piss it up the wall or embezzle it in fictional "expenses" paying speeding fines etc. If £40K doesn't matter to you, take sound financial advice and give this money to good causes.

Another2Cats · 02/07/2024 11:24

ScribblingPixie · 02/07/2024 09:39

Is it £100,000 you're allowed to give to someone tax-free in a year? I'd give her an amount up to that for the deposit, and hang on to the rest for the time being as emergency money, eg medical emergency or care when you're older.

There is no tax on gifts in the UK. The only concern would be possible inheritance tax considerations for the OP's estate if she dies within seven years of giving the gift.

bridgetreilly · 02/07/2024 11:20

IsMadl · 02/07/2024 10:22

Oh dear I'm feeling a little confused now.
Some on this thread seem to think what they already have is plenty for a nice house, others are saying they will get a flat or 3 bed even with our help - which is it?

No one on this thread except you knows enough about their situation to say. And whatever it is, your contribution would be a huge help to them. If you want to do it, you should talk to them about it.

bridgetreilly · 02/07/2024 11:17

There is no law that inheritance must go to blood relations! Would your parents have said the same if you had adopted a child? If you had formally adopted your stepdaughter? You love her as your own child, and I think you should do what you choose with your property. And since you are in a position to do it now, when it will benefit her most, do it!

MrsSunshine2b · 02/07/2024 11:15

Jamieie · 02/07/2024 00:42

Yeah I wasn't making any reference to losing her Mum, I know that's an awful thing. I was just simply saying she isn't in a bad place financially, it's more of a deposit than most people have. Regardless of where it came from.

Most people don't get £150k in cash in one go, but most people have 2 parents growing up which means either a second wage coming in, CMS payments, or a SAHP, all of which amount to something approaching £150k being invested.

Apparently parents are now contributing an average of £15kpa to children's expenses at Uni so that alone is £45k.

IVbumble · 02/07/2024 10:58

Remember you need to factor in capital gains tax on the profit made since purchase price when selling your house so that might bring the whole amount available quite a bit lower - not sure if you were thinking of just giving your DSD the profit made on the house or the whole amount when it is sold?

It sounds like she is very important to you & it's so nice that you can support her this way if you decide to go ahead.

ScribblingPixie · 02/07/2024 10:56

IsMadl · 02/07/2024 09:46

I was under the impression that for around 1 - 1.2mil they would be able to get that, no?

I live in the kind of area you're talking about, in zone 3, and a four-bedroom with a large garden like you're describing is about £1.75 million. I'm sure it's doable for much less though. Good luck, I hope you find a way through that works.

Eastcoastie · 02/07/2024 10:56

IsMadl · 02/07/2024 09:21

Thank you everyone, I do understand where people are coming from in terms of giving an asset away, however

  1. I'm not an overly cautious person, I don't believe it is good for the mind and I can't sit back and watch someone I love struggle while I hoard for fictional future expenses
  2. We live in a 600k house, if need be we can sell, buy a 2 bed bungalow and 400k left over
  3. I'm not worried about pensions, I've thought long and hard about it. We are both quite lucky as in my opinion DHs NHS Pension and my teaching Pension are pretty good deals. We don't live a dramatic life and have both been paying into private pensions for many years on top.
  4. Both our parents are still alive and own property etc, while I'm not willing to plan on the basis of inheriting (wouldn't be surprised if my parent disinherit me and DHs leave everything they have to a charity), the likely hood is we will inherit something in years to come
  5. While I understand 150k is no small amount, this is my grandbaby we are talking about!! I'd buy her a palace if I could. I know my SD doesn't want her baby to grow up in a flat, she grew up with a lovely big garden and at the very least she wants that. They both WH 2 days a week so an office is more or less a need and we already plan that I will go down in school holidays they can't cover between them to help with childcare so a spare room would be nice - in London that's big asking for 800/900k. I know they aren't on the breadline or in dire need of help, however I do feel they deserve it. After CGT we are looking at around £260,000 which to me could be the difference of my grandbaby growing up on a nice street with space for a trampoline and not having it! I know it isn't the stuff of sob stories but it matters to us.

OP this is one of the nicest posts I have read. I wish my DH's SM cared about him and his siblings even a fraction of what you clearly do. Everyone wants the best for their children and it seems like you want the same for your DGC. If you are in a position to help them out, I think that is so kind of you. I hope I can do the same in the future for my child.

rainbow126 · 02/07/2024 10:54

It’s yours to do with as you please. That’s selfish from your parents about your SD not being a blood relative as she is your family. Why not give her money for a deposit and keep the rest yourself. You could end up helping her further if you wish to, or you might need the money for a rainy day.

gingercat02 · 02/07/2024 10:53

Could you give her half and neice and nephew a quarter each?

Runsyd · 02/07/2024 10:52

By all means leave it to her in your will if you want, but I wouldn't give away that money now. Yes, she may need, but so might you. With the way the care system is going, you may well need the money for care when you are older.

Confused118 · 02/07/2024 10:49

OP what a nice way to think - genuinely.

What if your niece and nephew also decide to live in a completely unaffordable city and have a child that they (as any parent would) want to have living in a million pound pad?

Would you want to help them out also?

Can I suggest an alternative - why not give all the rental income to your step daughter and leave the residual to the niece and nephew on death? It will help the step daughter save a lot faster and get her where she needs to be quicker and leaves something for the N&N for their future too.

user1492757084 · 02/07/2024 10:48

You are generous, Op.
It's a great idea.

RoseUnder · 02/07/2024 10:47

What a lovely step-parent/child story OP, I think you should go ahead - it's your business - and that way you can enjoy the fruits of your very generous gift, including as Granny when you stay there to look after your grandchild.

It's not your parents' business.

Caththegreat · 02/07/2024 10:46

You do NOT have to explain why you have no biological children or justify yourself

Mochipuff · 02/07/2024 10:38

Your money, your decision.

Just make sure your SD protects it via a deed of trust incase she gets divorced.