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to think social housing tenants need their Horizon moment and lessons have not been learned

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JenniferBooth · 01/07/2024 18:23

I had a visit from my housing association income officer last Monday . Insisting we owe rent when we dont.

Get a load of this.

"OneSanctuary SAP is the name of a multi-million pound software system brought in by Sanctuary in 2016, designed for use by all areas of the business. It has been an unmitigated failure, and is a huge drawback of working for this company.
The issues caused by SAP are staggering and difficult to keep track of. Because SHA tried to implement SAP in a cost effective manner, they ended up vastly under-investing in critical elements. There is no tailoring of the generically presented system ('vanilla SAP'), which is an issue as social housing is a unique environment from a service delivery and CRM perspective, whereas vanilla SAP is more geared towards providing a solution for manufacturing industries. Thus, the system uses corporate nonsensical buzzwords and methods of handling accounts which absolutely do not reflect industry practice.
Here are just some examples of the more specific issues faced by staff:
No rent statements have been issued since it was implemented in August 2016, and if a resident insists on a rent statement it has to be prepared manually in a spreadsheet
The rent and calculations for accounts are hard to use, and often completely wrong. Mostly because the system was never designed to understand housing benefit payments, and this has a very convoluted workaround which a computer cannot make sense of.
SAP cannot interface with Local Authorities Housing benefit systems so payments are missed, lost or misattributed
Direct debits do not work reliably, and for a long time following the implementation did not work at all. Front line staff are now preferring standing order.
The front end system of SAP requires far more testing and money spent on it. Each customer account is a total mess of information, with no discernible way to separate notes left between differing departments, with information left by staff often going into the wrong account entirely. This needs looking at as from a compliance (DPA) point of view the breaches are serious
From a usability point of view, the view of a customers account within SAP CIC does not display appropriate information to the user (as stated before this is likely because the system was never designed to be used by a HA) and the user often has to go trawling around back end systems to find obviously relevant data (e.g tenancy start date, account balance, property type etc). This is a seemingly minor but considerable waste of resources"

And just like Horizon and the PO they will not admit that anything is wrong.

He stood at my door on Monday and pretended to look bewildered when i told him i knew all about their SAP. He also gaslighted me when i reminded him that this harassment has been going on for seven years and we have had previous letters demanding rent we dont owe and he had the gall to tell me that they were just general rent increase letters I can read. i know what they are and have kept them all. The first ones are tucked inside my 2017 diary with all the notes about their lies and obfuscation when all this started which is still going on.

It apparently has to be paid again because the system cannot find the money that has ALREADY been paid.

Lessons have not been learned

OP posts:
ItWasntMyFault · 01/07/2024 23:39

It might be worth you contact the council and ask them to confirm how much HB they are paying and check your claim hasn't been suspended.
I work for a HA and claims are often suspended when the council hasn't had a response to letters that the tenant hasn't received.

JenniferBooth · 01/07/2024 23:30

Crinkle77 · 01/07/2024 23:28

Yes this, surely you must have proof of the rent leaving your bank account?

On HB DH is 74 Another tenant i spoke to has proof re bank statements but computer still wont have it

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Crinkle77 · 01/07/2024 23:28

CaptainOliviaBenson · 01/07/2024 18:36

As long as you can prove you've paid with bank statements or housing benefit payments then the onus is on them to prove you haven't paid.

YANBU btw.

Yes this, surely you must have proof of the rent leaving your bank account?

Yarrow20 · 01/07/2024 23:07

We had similar stupid letters from the gas company when we changed providers a few years ago, computer systems in this country I'm pretty much every area of life are a bloody disgrace frankly and I can only presume they mostly profit the CEO's brother's mistress's budgie as they certainly don't benefit ordinary people.

I've learned from bitter experience over the years to always keep accurate and extensive records and it sounds like you're absolutely on the ball. Good luck - hope you get it sorted.

AderynBach · 01/07/2024 18:36

YANBU, that is appalling practice on their part. It sounds like they tried to save money on the system and it's just not fit for purpose. What a stressful situation to be in. Thank goodness you've kept all the correspondence and it sounds like you have a very good grasp of what's going on. It makes me so angry when vulnerable people are left at the mercy of bureaucratic mistakes and told they're the ones in the wrong.

CaptainOliviaBenson · 01/07/2024 18:36

As long as you can prove you've paid with bank statements or housing benefit payments then the onus is on them to prove you haven't paid.

YANBU btw.

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