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Political letter from my gp telling who to vote for

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FluffyJellyCat · 01/07/2024 17:11

Is this even allowed? The gp isn't wrong in what he is saying. But how did he get my personal data to write to me? It's a proper letter addressed to me at my address. Could he access my data for a local election?

Conflict of interest? Gdpr? I'm not going to complain because I have enought going on in my life. But surely this isn't allowed?

What next? The schools head telling me who to vote for?

OP posts:
mumedu · 02/07/2024 09:27

Quercus30 · 01/07/2024 21:58

Why? They have your children's best interests at heart. As a teacher, I have to be impartial when I'm teaching the children but that doesn't mean I am not allowed to have a political opinion or voice it elsewhere. Government policy has a direct impact on the job I do. If government policy is making my job impossible and having a negative impact on the children in my care, why shouldn't I advise parents to think about this when they vote. It is up to them to decide who they vote for based on the information they have.

I am also a teacher. Like you, I have my students' best interests at heart. It's fine to be political - e.g.strike, go on demos, be active politically in your life outside of school. Not fine to impose your political views on the school community.

littlegrebe · 02/07/2024 08:39

TeatimeForTheSoul · 01/07/2024 22:52

That is correct, nobody from my profession could ever send a political flyer to a patient. Simple, you never send them in the constituency you work in. By using your position in a caring profession to influence, this is an abuse of power.

You seem to believe it’s only possible to stand in a constituency you work in. Why?

Rosina Allin-Khan does shifts in her local A&E. How do you think she's successfully stood for election in the past without getting into trouble if what you say is true? It would be impossible for her to campaign if she excluded everyone she'd ever treated - and she'd have to keep a personal note of who they were in order to do so which probably would be an actual GDPR violation.

UprootedSunflower · 02/07/2024 06:55

Our local Tories have sent letters out ‘from’ community figures instructing us to vote. One from the neighbourhood busy body. They are definitely actually sent out from the party office, I saw it hand delivered and asked

MadameMassiveSalad · 02/07/2024 06:48

Of course schools and Drs want you to vote Labour.
Our education & health care systems are completely and utterly on their knees!

Our kids are sat all day pong in underfunded, uninspiring education settings with teachers leaving in droves.

Our sick elderly parents are in hospitals with less staff than are able to cope with feeding them, moving them to prevent bed sores, washing them, helping them fucking go to the toilet.

Never mind the carers, public transport, the police or the environment emergency!

What more do you need to know FGS. Just vote them out! 🙏

KrisAkabusi · 01/07/2024 23:05

You seem to believe it’s only possible to stand in a constituency you work in. Why?

I'm from Ireland. You have to live in the constituency you're running in. I didn't realise you don't in the UK.

TeatimeForTheSoul · 01/07/2024 22:52

KrisAkabusi · 01/07/2024 20:32

If that were true, nobody from your profession could ever run for office. They could never advertise that they were standing, never send a leaflet out in case it went to a client, never put a poster up in case a customer recognised them and realised they were standing for a particular political party....

That is correct, nobody from my profession could ever send a political flyer to a patient. Simple, you never send them in the constituency you work in. By using your position in a caring profession to influence, this is an abuse of power.

You seem to believe it’s only possible to stand in a constituency you work in. Why?

Quercus30 · 01/07/2024 21:58

mumedu · 01/07/2024 20:53

This is completely unacceptable.

Why? They have your children's best interests at heart. As a teacher, I have to be impartial when I'm teaching the children but that doesn't mean I am not allowed to have a political opinion or voice it elsewhere. Government policy has a direct impact on the job I do. If government policy is making my job impossible and having a negative impact on the children in my care, why shouldn't I advise parents to think about this when they vote. It is up to them to decide who they vote for based on the information they have.

RosesAndHellebores · 01/07/2024 21:42

If they are a party member and have put their name to a letter sent by a political association from an electoral register list - fine.

If they are a local GP who has written to practice patients on practice notepaper to encourage them to vote according to the author's beliefs not fine. If in addition such a communication has been funded by practice resources from the NHS funds - absolutely not fine.

The argument in relation to professional boundaries is important too in each scenario and bears scrutiny.

It is really difficult to comment without the full facts.

ellenfan · 01/07/2024 21:22

Bodeganights · 01/07/2024 20:28

Then report it.

Already did!

We all need to do our bit against the bot farms.

mumedu · 01/07/2024 20:53

anotherHappymonday · 01/07/2024 17:22

in our local authority the head teachers sent out a joint letter to all parents / carers which was clearly telling us which party to vote for

This is completely unacceptable.

rainbowunicorn · 01/07/2024 20:50

WhereIsTheHare · 01/07/2024 19:56

Honestly, I am shocked at how people who have a vote in elections are so illiterate about the electoral process. How can we call it democracy when so many of the participants have literally no idea how it all works?

This exactly. It really is worrying that so many people on this thread have clearly not got a clue how things work.

newnamethanks · 01/07/2024 20:41

Is it a full moon tonight? It must be.

Bodeganights · 01/07/2024 20:34

Kinshipug · 01/07/2024 20:06

Personally I would find it reassuring that my GP was so invested in remedying the state of the NHS. At least they care. They could just go into private practice and wash their hands of the lot of you.

They may as well, it's going to be the only way I see a GP anytime soon.
I'd prefer they just did it already. Then at least I can choose one near me at a price I'm willing to pay. Instead of having to travel miles and pay a hundred quid.

KrisAkabusi · 01/07/2024 20:32

TeatimeForTheSoul · 01/07/2024 20:28

Even if the letter was sent purely from the electoral role in a purely political capacity
Even if your GP is completely right that we have to get the Tories out
This is an abuse of power as he is your GP.
My professional body would take a very dim view of this.

If that were true, nobody from your profession could ever run for office. They could never advertise that they were standing, never send a leaflet out in case it went to a client, never put a poster up in case a customer recognised them and realised they were standing for a particular political party....

Amatueuragonyaunt · 01/07/2024 20:30

Can't edit my earlier pose, but the relevant section is this:

  1. Staff activism: NHS employees are free to undertake political activism in a personal capacity but should not involve their organisation or create the impression of their organisation’s involvement.

So I guess it depends on whether they are acting on their own behalf or whether they are appearing to speak for the organisation.

readingmakesmehappy · 01/07/2024 20:28

Is there a party imprint on the bottom somewhere in very tiny print? It may be that this has been sent by the political party he's supporting

Bodeganights · 01/07/2024 20:28

ellenfan · 01/07/2024 19:42

Many of these posts sounds very odd. Not the kind of things that Mumsnetters would post.

Then report it.

TeatimeForTheSoul · 01/07/2024 20:28

Even if the letter was sent purely from the electoral role in a purely political capacity
Even if your GP is completely right that we have to get the Tories out
This is an abuse of power as he is your GP.
My professional body would take a very dim view of this.

cakeorwine · 01/07/2024 20:27

Zebedee999 · 01/07/2024 19:53

You really have no idea on data privacy. Personal data can only be used for precise purposes that have been explained in advance and consented to. A surgery could write to you using your personal data regarding medical matters but not political matters... unless OP agreed to that which is highly unlikely.
So yes an ICO matter.

It depends on where it comes from.

If I run a business and collect your data, I can only use it for the purposes you agree to. I can't use that data for any other purpose that is not clear from the privacy notice.

If I run a business, but collect your data from the electoral register and use that data, then that's ok. Because I haven't used the data that I collected from you that is on my database.

If I do some cross correlation with my data and the data on the register, try to fill in missing fields and then use other available data to get a marketing list, then you are into a whole new territory of processing.

countdown64 · 01/07/2024 20:26

They're all getting desperate. My DH and DD had a joint letter today from a hospital consultant urging them to vote Tory 😂
I didn't think for one moment that they had got our address from their hospital files! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Amatueuragonyaunt · 01/07/2024 20:22

Apologies if this has already been posted - I've not read the whole thread - but assuming this is an NHS GP, here's the link to their guidance: https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/pre-election-guidance-for-nhs-organisations-general-election-2024/

Sunhatweather · 01/07/2024 20:14

DogInATent · 01/07/2024 20:07

But you wouldn't need to, as there's almost certainly enough information on the letter to tell you where the address came from. Probably in a footer stating it's a political communication on behalf of X Party, promoted by Y agent.

But the OP has muted the thread and toddled off for Horlicks in bed, so we'll never know.

I agree 😄

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 01/07/2024 20:13

Are they registered as a third party campaigner and are they making a declaration of expenses to the Electoral Commission?

Sunhatweather · 01/07/2024 20:13

SnappyBee · 01/07/2024 20:01

What makes in dubious, ethically?

Particularly in the wider context of how many doctors have held office as, or campaigned to be, and MP?

I’m not a GP but hold a similar clinical position and we are encouraged to be neutral in our professional dealings with clients. Knowing which political party I support might affect how you engage with me. So, if you were a refugee and I spoke openly of my support for Reform, would you engage with me in the same way? If you are passionately anti-Tory and I’m discussing what an amazing bloke Rees-Mogg is, would it alter our professional relationship? What if I’m dealing with a mentally ill person with a political grudge?
Also, why would I want to discuss my politics with people coming to me for treatment?
There’s nothing to say it can’t be done, but it is highly discouraged in my profession.

DogInATent · 01/07/2024 20:07

Sunhatweather · 01/07/2024 20:04

Oh god. AIBU really is a pit of vipers. Of course GDPR is an issue in certain cases (possibly this one) but a box has possibly been ticked to agree to ‘any other communications’. That’s IF they are using addresses held by the surgery. If using an open sources of addresses, then no, it’s just highly dubious and IMHO as a person in a similar/ medically-related profession - ethically questionable.
GDPR is a fecking minefield for anyone with any type of clinical practice and I’d be questioning how my address was accessed for this purpose.

But you wouldn't need to, as there's almost certainly enough information on the letter to tell you where the address came from. Probably in a footer stating it's a political communication on behalf of X Party, promoted by Y agent.

But the OP has muted the thread and toddled off for Horlicks in bed, so we'll never know.