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Sister stole her flatmate’s deposit

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Huhy · 01/07/2024 06:56

Sister just completed her final year at university in London.

Sister lived with an international student in a one bed flat - they converted living room for 2nd bedroom in Central London. They were friends and course mates prior to living together. Sister had an absolute nightmare with this flatmate but I think it is no excuse. So sister and flatmate got an email saying that only £400 of their deposit was being returned due to the state the flat was left in. Sister left the flat in March, tenancy ended in June. Sister left to come home as she was very stressed with dissertation and exams/sick of flatmate. Before she left she completely cleaned her bedroom. She agreed with flatmate to go halves on an end of tenancy clean.

Landlord came back and said the carpet in her flatmates room and her bed were ruined and therefore needed replacing. Sister texted friend saying well seeing as that is all your stuff, I think I’m entitled to the full remaining deposit. Flatmate said no, we’ll split. My sister was distraught as she took care of her room and the common areas as she knew she needed the deposit for her masters.

When I say my sister lived with a pig I am not exaggerating. Sister sent us pictures of their kitchen after she returned from Easter. The ENTIRE floor in their small kitchen had piled up bags of takeaway bags. It was shocking. Flatmate paid for a cleaner to pick up her shit. The other girl also had difficulty turning off the shower and would just leave it - causing damage to the flat below. Another time my sister picked up a towel that had been on the floor in bathroom for weeks and the other girl replied with “haha I can’t believe you touched that, that was a cum towel”. She would also routinely make my sister go with her to get the morning after pill whilst on her period - always thought she was pregnant. Trust me I know her being a nightmare does not justify theft.

Anyway sister figured out that their deposit had not been secured as she questioned the LL’s ability to unilaterally take whatever amount he wanted. The other girl was happy to walk away from the lost deposit. My sister told landlord to pay both deposits into her account as her flatmate has shut hers down. Well that was a lie.

Sister was immature and rubbed it in her flatmates face that she had her money. The flatmate has gone back to her home country (very well off). I got a message from the girl asking me to help. I’m shocked my sister acted this way, very uncharacteristic. Sister in fact has actually given the money to another friend who was struggling to pay her last month’s rent (I have seen texts and bank statements as evidence of this).

Im at a loss. Pleas tell me what to do!

OP posts:
Edders71 · 01/07/2024 11:31

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 01/07/2024 10:50

The sister got £2400 back. It's confusing because of way the opening post was written referring to an irrelevant £400. It took 8 posts before the full information was given. OP now getting stroppy because people "can't read"

Oh FFS, slightly different story then! Thanks for the correction 👍

Zone2NorthLondon · 01/07/2024 11:27

Huhy · 01/07/2024 07:02

Okay but I also have a moral obligation

No. You have no obligation whatsoever. Block the flatmate. Don’t get involved

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 01/07/2024 11:22

Huhy · 01/07/2024 07:02

Okay but I also have a moral obligation

Why you so involved?? You’re not her mother - and even if you were, she’s an adult. Very strange. Though your sister did act poorly. But so did the flatmate.

Huhy · 01/07/2024 11:20

Huhy · 01/07/2024 08:47

Well she’s hoping people who only speak Mandarin won’t bother engaging the UK legal system. And flatmate struggles with taps so won’t be able to take the lead.

Parents of girl only speak broken English, Mandarin is their main language according to sister.

Flatmate speaks English very well - went to school in the UK

OP posts:
BobbyBiscuits · 01/07/2024 11:19

Tell your sister and her mate to sort it out amongst themselves and you will hear not a word about it anymore. And neither will your parents.
If your parents tell you to do anything just refuse. 'It's not my responsibility and she won't listen to me. I tried and failed and will not discuss the matter further.'

Scarletttulips · 01/07/2024 11:18

I don’t think the other girl has a leg to stand on. She broke the bed and made such a mess it costs the LL £££

At a lost to them both.

It only happens that the deposit wasn’t protected that DS got anything at all.

I wonder if DA lost all the deposit the family would sue the other girl for it seeing as she made them lose it.

2 different things.

Shes done nothing wrong.

AnnaL94 · 01/07/2024 11:17

Huhy · 01/07/2024 11:15

Another person who can’t read

So tedious!

Lol. This is Mumsnet @Huhy people don’t read posts or updates.

I’d bow out from the thread, and from the drama your sister has caused. Not your problem.

Huhy · 01/07/2024 11:16

I’ve messaged sis and flatmate to leave me out.

OP posts:
Huhy · 01/07/2024 11:15

Vermin · 01/07/2024 10:11

If the girl only speaks mandarin, “cum towel” was an impressive colloquialism to have picked up.

Another person who can’t read

So tedious!

OP posts:
Londisc · 01/07/2024 11:12

The first post does include all you need to know - the sister lied to get both shares of the full deposit paid into her account. The mentioning of the £400 was not irrelevant - it's what alerted the sister to the fact that the landlord had not fulfilled his obligations re: deposit protection, which enabled her to demand the return of the full deposit.

OP, if she gets in trouble (unlikely) then it's up to you whether to support her at that point but for now, at 21, she is old enough to make her own decisions and mistakes. It's good to be part of a supportive family but this sounds like an overly-enmeshed situation with irrational thoughts of karma and vicarious shame etc. You and your parents have told your sister what you think. That's enough. You do neither her nor yourself any favours by trying to rescue her "moral integrity" in this situation. You talk about being a parentified child so you are aware of this family dynamic - perhaps you could use this incident as a springboard to begin to liberate yourself from that role.

roses2 · 01/07/2024 11:10

MrsSunshine2b · 01/07/2024 10:18

She didn't steal it. The deposit covered damage the other flatmate did to the flat. Your sister is entitled to keep the remainder.

I agree with this. Plus it was your sister who did all the legwork to get the money back.

But she is an idiot for telling the other girl.

Bournetilly · 01/07/2024 11:07

Why did she say anything? She should have just given back the £200 (half the £400) not that her friend really deserved it after the damage she had done.

It was abit unfair of her to steal the deposit then just give it to another friend, your sister didn’t even need it.

Id just stay out of it and block the girl on social media. Its not your problem.

Winter2020 · 01/07/2024 10:53

You could reply to the housemate that this is the link https://www.gov.uk/make-court-claim-for-money if she wants to take your sister to small claims court. I really don’t think that the police will be interested as it’s all a bit “he said, she said” for them. I think they would say that it is a civil dispute.

Make a court claim for money

How to take legal action if someone owes you money (small claims court), how much it costs, what happens next. Includes information from withdrawn guidance EX303, EX304, EX306, EX321, EX325 and EX350.

https://www.gov.uk/make-court-claim-for-money

Chocoloca · 01/07/2024 10:52

babadumm · 01/07/2024 07:42

Wrong pity party! I came here at 18 to attend uni, and managed to handle myself perfectly well despite having the English accent in the world that cops the most "acceptable" (no such thing btw) mockery/racism in media and across the world (hint: not a European accent by any means).

I understand there's no point comparing racism but I was a complete foreigner in the UK. The actual foreigner / international student, your sister's flatmate, looks to be handling things by herself too.

It was stressful and painful but I learnt. If my parents helped me, it was through advice and support and then stepping back. Hovering anymore gets a little helicopter parent imo – you do see that on MN sometimes but it's not very healthy.

Also please please don't pretend your sister can't speak English after a 3 year uni degree conducted in English lol. Putting aside the fact that she probably attended school here before that too.

Yes maybe you're being protective, or maybe you just want an excuse to get a little bolshy, but you have to let your 21 year old sister be at some point. When she gets her first job within months, are you (or your parents) going to take things up with her boss and colleague??

Edited

I think about English comment, she was explaining her parents want to be involved but as they don't speak English cannot handle everything themselves and have involved OP into this matter.

I agree op should distance herself. But I also think that her sister and the said flatmate both are wrong in different ways.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 01/07/2024 10:50

Edders71 · 01/07/2024 10:41

So all being well your sister should have had £600 back but actually lost some because of the flatmate - I’m with your sister here. The other girl would have received nothing anyway.

Block away and let her try and sue. Your sister has pictures as evidence. She deserves to keep the money on the basis of the cum towel alone.

The sister got £2400 back. It's confusing because of way the opening post was written referring to an irrelevant £400. It took 8 posts before the full information was given. OP now getting stroppy because people "can't read"

prescribingmum · 01/07/2024 10:49

Nothing wrong with your English but the unilateral consensus is to block the friend and stay out of it because it is absolutely nothing to do with you.

If you don't want to do that then go and pay the friend back yourself, not sure what other advice you want people to give you. The conversation is just going round in circles over technicalities

Jeschara · 01/07/2024 10:48

Jeschara · 01/07/2024 10:46

Yes I think we all read it the same. It's theft.
In position of the full facts it is ovious, but in the first post we did not have them.

Agree with Chocloca

Rewis · 01/07/2024 10:48

Since your sister got the full deposit back. She should give half to the flatmate. Since she gave it away she should give her half to her. All you can do is tell her that you think she should give the half to the flatmate. Then stay out if it. Block the flatmate. Not your circus, not your monkeys. Stay out of it.

Jeschara · 01/07/2024 10:46

Yes I think we all read it the same. It's theft.
In position of the full facts it is ovious, but in the first post we did not have them.

WhySoManySocks · 01/07/2024 10:46

@Huhy your post is perfectly clear and there’s nothing wrong with your English.I’m sorry the masses can’t read.

Your sister is absolutely in the wrong. However, she is an adult and there is nothing you can do to force her to give it back. I would probably have one strongly worded conversation with your sister telling her she should give the money back because it’s theft, and block the roommate.

The fact that the roommate was a slob, a drama queen, and a foreigner has nothing to do with this. Your sister did something illegal. She was then very stupid to rub it in her friend’s face.

EmBear91 · 01/07/2024 10:44

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Chocoloca · 01/07/2024 10:41

Andwegoroundagain · 01/07/2024 10:31

Yes she has
She lied to the landlord and told him the girl had shut down her bank account and the landlord transferred both deposits in FULL to OP sister.

Sorry I just read Op's other posts. I posted after read her op and understood Ll only returned 400 which sister kept as there was no mention of 2400.

I agree it is a theft.

Edders71 · 01/07/2024 10:41

So all being well your sister should have had £600 back but actually lost some because of the flatmate - I’m with your sister here. The other girl would have received nothing anyway.

Block away and let her try and sue. Your sister has pictures as evidence. She deserves to keep the money on the basis of the cum towel alone.

EsmeSusanOgg · 01/07/2024 10:39

Huhy · 01/07/2024 07:00

This girl is harassing me on social media. Plus my parents are aware of situation and want me to get sister to do the right thing.

Your sister got the deposit back, the other girl was happy to walk away with nothing. Especially as the place was left a state. What your sister has done wrong is taunt the other party. Block this girl and move on.

spicysamosahotcupoftea · 01/07/2024 10:38

Oh FGS.

Your sister took the money, she will have to deal with any consequences that arise.

Tell the flatmate who keeps messaging you that you are not getting involved and it is their problem to sort out. Then ignore ALL messages.

Tell your parents to chill the fuck out. Your sister is not a child and she isn't your responsibility.

And tell yourself this isn't your problem and STAY OUT OF IT.

Job done.

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