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The post person entered my house.

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Globules · 30/06/2024 16:12

I've just seen it on my Ring doorbell.

17yr old DD had left the door unlocked for her friend so she didn't have to come down to let them in. Not uncommon.

Post arrived, including a parcel, during this time. When no one answered the door, the post person tried the handle, opened up the door and came into my home.

Granted, DD shouldn't have left the door unlocked, but it doesn't make what the post person did ok.

Just me who thinks it was completely unreasonable for them to have even tried the handle?!

OP posts:
AyrshireTryer · 01/07/2024 21:11

Your postie is told to try a porch door. Surely the actual front door is the actual point of entry. You can lock both, of course. If the safe place is the shed, make sure shed and gate to shed are both unlocked. Which means postie can have a fun time in the whole garden, rather than a very small porch.

dawngreen · 01/07/2024 21:11

We don't get the same postie each day, and they deliver any time these days.

CautiousCrafty · 01/07/2024 21:05

AyrshireTryer · 01/07/2024 20:41

The Royal Mail define an enclosed porch as a safe place to leave a parcel.
If there was no answer when he knocked this is a thing your postie is told to do.
When the parcel was redelivered where was it put or did you have to go to the sorting office to get it. It being your parcel.

It wasn’t the Royal Mail man who returned my parcel. It was the Evri one and the money was refunded within 2 working days.

I understand that some people may set their safe place as a porch and I respect their choice if they’re comfortable with it; however surely, if there is a door with a lock on it (whether it is locked or not), this is an entry point to someone’s home & shouldn’t really be tested as whether it’s open or not! I find it exasperating!

AyrshireTryer · 01/07/2024 20:56

When the postman cannot get an answer or find what they consider a safe place or a neighbour to accept the parcel you should get a card through your door.
The postman will attempt deliver the next day - if still no reply/safeplace/neighbour the parcel once again goes to the sorting office and wait until the customer collects it.

MasterBeth · 01/07/2024 20:48

Hmm1234 · 01/07/2024 20:14

So you don’t trust your postman? Would you rather they leave it outside if no one answers 🤔

No, I would rather they do what they are supposed to do - attempt to redeliver it and/or offer you the option of collecting it.

MasterBeth · 01/07/2024 20:43

SpiritOfEcstasy · 01/07/2024 18:03

My postman always throws parcels in the door. I do live in a place where we don’t lock our doors though so it’s the norm. I did drive home one day and see a courier van parked outside my house - obviously making a delivery. I was beyond shocked to see the driver walk past my bedroom window … on the inside! He came out as I was getting into my car and drove away really fast … I didn’t make a complaint as I had no proof but it was ever so worrying …

What a shame there is no simple fix to people entering your house without your permission. Why oh why can't 21st century science invent some kind of technology that could solve this problem? I guess we are all at the mercy of any prowlers, thieves and worse who choose to walk into our homes and there is sweet F.A. we can do about it.

AyrshireTryer · 01/07/2024 20:41

CautiousCrafty · 01/07/2024 18:00

I feel your anger. I have a small porch so x2 front doors. The delivery men (Royal Mail, evri, DPD etc) all try the first door to see if it’s open and leave their parcels there! It drives me CRAZY! I caught one doing it one day as I was near the door. Didn’t knock, just tried the door and I said what do you think you’re doing!? You’re opening my front door! He said it’s a porch! I said it wasn’t and it was my front door! He turned around and took the parcel back!!!!

The Royal Mail define an enclosed porch as a safe place to leave a parcel.
If there was no answer when he knocked this is a thing your postie is told to do.
When the parcel was redelivered where was it put or did you have to go to the sorting office to get it. It being your parcel.

AyrshireTryer · 01/07/2024 20:37

OK, so YOU order something.
YOUR postman will try and deliver it twice and then YOU will have to go to the sorting office to get it. Our sorting office is open for two hours on weekdays and a massive four hours on a Saturday.
Parcels are also delivered on a Sunday.
Postie knocks on door and waits.....
tries gate to see if he can find somewhere in back garden to put the parcel you ordered - sees if YOU have set a designated place for YOUR parcel. Plays hide and seek with YOUR parcel, writes YOU a card all in the three minutes he has to deliver YOUR parcel.
Or post tries YOUR door - probably shouts POST and sticks the parcel YOU ordered in YOUR house away from the rain etc.

YOUR postman most probably has no interest in YOUR house, he wants to get the parcel out of his sack/van and carry on with the many other households that he needs to deliver to.

For the love of God OP do yourself a favour and either get items delivered to a work address or just go to the shops. YOUR postie deserves a better service from YOU as a customer. Bet your letterbox is floor level too.

Hmm1234 · 01/07/2024 20:14

So you don’t trust your postman? Would you rather they leave it outside if no one answers 🤔

Hammy65 · 01/07/2024 19:51

Our postman has done this more than once. We live in the country- think it’s just fairly normal here.

willWillSmithsmith · 01/07/2024 19:51

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 15:24

Surely if you are not OK with it you would lock your door?

No that’s wrong. Me unlocking my door is when I know my son is on his way home, or another family member. It’s not an invitation for others.

Whatinthedoopla · 01/07/2024 19:50

This happens all the time, they used to do this all the time at my old house

loriginale · 01/07/2024 19:22

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AnnieSnap · 01/07/2024 19:16

IroningThrone · 30/06/2024 16:14

Good lord, they did you a favour leaving your parcel. It's not like this shit on your bed.

And post person? 🤔🙄

I’ve always said post person. My adult children still used the term 🙄

KaiHua · 01/07/2024 18:32

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable at all. I agree with you OP, I think it’s odd.

Sleepytiredyawn · 01/07/2024 18:31

This happened to me, they never even bothered to knock. I heard something so I went to see. They were closing the door after putting the parcel inside behind it and I saw them then posting the post through the door 🤦🏽‍♀️. To be honest it did piss me off as they didn’t even knock but I guess I do see why they do it.

It annoys me more if a parcel is left near the front door when you’re not home when they could at least try to hide it a little better.

Flatulence · 01/07/2024 18:28

For everyone saying they don't believe this, this has happened to me several times (although not Royal Mail - only every Evri and the like).

The first time it happened, I was on the loo and heard the door being knocked. He knocked again. I wasn't in a position to race down the stairs so left it.

Next thing I heard was the door opening. As I was rapidly pulling up my tights to run down the stairs to see what the hell was going on, he placed my wine delivery in the hall and closed the door and left.

The second time, I was on work call. I wasn't going to break my concentration and the presentation I was making to answer the door to person unknown. He knocked a couple of times, then opened the door, put the parcel on the floor (wine again...) took a pic and closed the door.

Had I not been sitting at my desk on the first floor landing, I'd not have believed it.

I probably should have said something to the delivery man (or offered 'feedback') as it does feel a bit inappropriate BUT I was grateful to have my wine parcel. I know why they do it. It is quite creepy though - especially as a woman alone in the house!

Heyhoitsme · 01/07/2024 18:25

Our postman pushed a parcel through our cat flap. I was happy. If the door was open I think its acceptable to pop it inside.

SpiritOfEcstasy · 01/07/2024 18:03

My postman always throws parcels in the door. I do live in a place where we don’t lock our doors though so it’s the norm. I did drive home one day and see a courier van parked outside my house - obviously making a delivery. I was beyond shocked to see the driver walk past my bedroom window … on the inside! He came out as I was getting into my car and drove away really fast … I didn’t make a complaint as I had no proof but it was ever so worrying …

CautiousCrafty · 01/07/2024 18:00

I feel your anger. I have a small porch so x2 front doors. The delivery men (Royal Mail, evri, DPD etc) all try the first door to see if it’s open and leave their parcels there! It drives me CRAZY! I caught one doing it one day as I was near the door. Didn’t knock, just tried the door and I said what do you think you’re doing!? You’re opening my front door! He said it’s a porch! I said it wasn’t and it was my front door! He turned around and took the parcel back!!!!

Jumpers4goalposts · 01/07/2024 17:59

Mine always opens the door and leaves the post just in side.

bipbopdo · 01/07/2024 16:31

willWillSmithsmith · 01/07/2024 15:23

I agree. The idea that people are more than happy for someone to try the handle of their front door to see if it’s open (which is totally unacceptable other than in exceptional safety circumstances) and then going in (whether it’s full body or just a hand) is mind boggling. I’m sitting on my sofa now just trying to visualise how I’d feel if my postman suddenly opened my door and walked in with a parcel. I’d be very unhappy and tell him to never do it again. Surely the fact it’s a sackable offence is enough to know it’s not on.

So these very amenable people, are you ok for the Amazon or Evri delivery driver doing that or is it just ok for RM?

I’m really surprised by how many people here seem to go about their lives being quite fearful and anxious. These delivery drivers are trying to do you a favour. It’s a headache to try and track down a missed or missing delivery.

To my mind, it doesn’t really matter if it’s RM or another company. They’re all so quick it’s kind of irrelevant

Megifer · 01/07/2024 15:54

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 15:44

It's your house. It's entirely your responsibility to lock your door if you are concerned that someone might try to open it. And entirely your choice not to. Personally I cannot understand why anyone would not lock their door.

No, the responsibility lies with the person who had not been given permission to open a door to a private property to not open the door.

I've tried googling to see where I'd stand if I did launch a cup at a stranger opening my door and trespass seems to fit? So no implied permission in place to access as the door is closed? But there is implied right of access to a garden because that's the only way to reach the closed (so don't open, unknown person) door.

My cup is massive too it holds about 3 cups of coffee at once. Shame ill never get to chuck it given I live somewhere normal 😂

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 15:44

Megifer · 01/07/2024 15:38

Why is the responsibility on the homeowner to lock their door if they are in their private property, and not the complete stranger to not open the door to that private property?

As a pp said the fact its a sackable offence should speak volumes?

It's your house. It's entirely your responsibility to lock your door if you are concerned that someone might try to open it. And entirely your choice not to. Personally I cannot understand why anyone would not lock their door.

Megifer · 01/07/2024 15:42

"I’m sitting on my sofa now just trying to visualise how I’d feel if my postman suddenly opened my door and walked in with a parcel. "

If they did it here they'd likely get whatever object I have in my hand, so probably a cup, volleyed at their head 😬

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