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DH weekend football games & baby

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sandbun67 · 30/06/2024 13:59

DH goes to the local home football games with his friends on Saturdays and has done for as long as I have known him. They are a really nice group of men - they go, have a few drinks in a nearby pub, see the game and come home. All very innocent and they are out for about 5-6 hours. Always been really happy for him to go, even for the last 9 months when we have had a new baby as I can sometimes get someone to come and help me and I also feel quite well rested (baby is a great sleeper) so I'm happy to do the day alone if I need to. DH is also a very involved dad and supports me a lot so I'm happy for him to take the time to continue doing something he really enjoys.

However, I recently mentioned to DH that I wasn't sure about him going to every single game when I'm back working FT as a teacher in September. I thought this was quite reasonable but he thinks I'm being really unfair and I can't decide who is being unreasonable. My reasoning to him was as follows:

  • The working week is exhausting. Pre baby I usually had to work one day at the weekend just to keep on top of everything and I can only see this getting worse as I will need to leave work earlier to pick up from nursery. I would usually do my work on a Sunday meaning that Saturday is my only 'free' day of the week. If DH goes to a football match and leaves me to solo parent on this free day, I effectively won't get a day off all week. Yes I can get someone to come and help me but this isn't necessarily how I would want to spend this free day - I'd like to spend it with him and our DD!
  • The football games take place roughly 1/3 of my working weekends (I'm happy for him to go on the weekends of school holidays when I will have been off in the week). So effectively one third of all my working weekends I have already been signed up to not really getting a break/time as a family.
  • When do we get family time? DH has suggested on other weekends I can do something for myself and he'll look after DD so it balances out, but if I match him on this then we will hardly ever get family time the 3 of us.

For clarity, I didn't say that I didn't want him to go, just that maybe he could reduce the amount he goes but he thinks that the number of games in a year is reasonable.

Genuinely unsure who is being unreasonable here as I sort of feel backed into a corner and I feel that it has just been assumed I will agree to this.

OP posts:
TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 30/06/2024 17:22

If his day out is more like every other weekend, then you do something for the same amount of time every other weekend too. Make sundays family days. Have expectations that he will in fact plan and parent on his Saturday, not just plonk the baby next to him while he watches football on tv.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 30/06/2024 17:19

AgileMentor · 30/06/2024 16:18

Also needing help for that 1 Saturday with 1 child? Do you have some underlying health conditions or are suffering with your mental health? Because I can’t fathom how a mother can’t cope alone with a 9 month old for a few hours.

How kind and compassionate.

Everyones different. First babies can be a shock to the system. I struggled with my first at 9 months even though he was easy.

Stop being spiteful.

Nottodaythankyou123 · 30/06/2024 17:19

sandbun67 · 30/06/2024 17:17

Thank you - this sounds like a great idea and I'd love to make this happen in the week to take the pressure off the weekend. Good to hear some positive stories like this before returning to work!

Sometimes it’s quality more than quantity! It might take a little while to get into a routine that works for you, but just remember not to right off the little moments each day and you’ll be fine!

sandbun67 · 30/06/2024 17:17

Nottodaythankyou123 · 30/06/2024 17:12

The point I think I was trying to make is that quality time can happen in the week too! My and DP both work full time, with young children, and honestly putting the phone down and just embracing those few hours between nursery and bed is lovely. They’ve eaten at nursery, we wait until they’re asleep and for those few undisturbed hours we play or read books and do bedtime, and it’s honestly quite lovely. Appreciate depending on nursery finish time and bedtime it might not be as feasible for everyone but it means that by the weekend I don’t feel like I haven’t spent any time with them or that we all need to be together all weekend. I also tend to push bedtime back a bit now I’m back at work, my oldest has always been very low sleep need and my youngest naps wonderfully at nursery so if they stay up an hour later they’re ok the next day!

Thank you - this sounds like a great idea and I'd love to make this happen in the week to take the pressure off the weekend. Good to hear some positive stories like this before returning to work!

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Namechangencncnc · 30/06/2024 17:15

Nottodaythankyou123 · 30/06/2024 17:12

The point I think I was trying to make is that quality time can happen in the week too! My and DP both work full time, with young children, and honestly putting the phone down and just embracing those few hours between nursery and bed is lovely. They’ve eaten at nursery, we wait until they’re asleep and for those few undisturbed hours we play or read books and do bedtime, and it’s honestly quite lovely. Appreciate depending on nursery finish time and bedtime it might not be as feasible for everyone but it means that by the weekend I don’t feel like I haven’t spent any time with them or that we all need to be together all weekend. I also tend to push bedtime back a bit now I’m back at work, my oldest has always been very low sleep need and my youngest naps wonderfully at nursery so if they stay up an hour later they’re ok the next day!

I agree this can work really well.
My DH and I don't tend to have picked the children both up from nursery and school until nearer to 5.30, they love a 7.30 bedtime and my eldest has 3 clubs midweek too- so week time isn't really quality time, it's more holding your breath until Saturday! But I agree that you shouldn't just have all your eggs in a weekend basket.
It's easier to have that quality time when the weather is nicer too- we like to do a late playground trip or a cycle round the block etc before bed.

Nottodaythankyou123 · 30/06/2024 17:12

sandbun67 · 30/06/2024 16:32

Thank you. I was beginning to think I was going mad with people suggesting family time isn't important?! I don't mean grand days out, just quality time, chilling, chatting and playing with the baby together and not just existing alongside each other while we get through the working week. It's time vs quality time. So I think this hits the nail on the head - the working week can be busy and go like a flash, it feels like the weekends will be the only time DD gets the full attention of her parents.

The point I think I was trying to make is that quality time can happen in the week too! My and DP both work full time, with young children, and honestly putting the phone down and just embracing those few hours between nursery and bed is lovely. They’ve eaten at nursery, we wait until they’re asleep and for those few undisturbed hours we play or read books and do bedtime, and it’s honestly quite lovely. Appreciate depending on nursery finish time and bedtime it might not be as feasible for everyone but it means that by the weekend I don’t feel like I haven’t spent any time with them or that we all need to be together all weekend. I also tend to push bedtime back a bit now I’m back at work, my oldest has always been very low sleep need and my youngest naps wonderfully at nursery so if they stay up an hour later they’re ok the next day!

Apileofballyhoo · 30/06/2024 16:47

I think whoever said DH should pick up baby from nursery a couple of evenings a week had a good point. Then you finish your work on Saturday morning.

sandbun67 · 30/06/2024 16:46

AgileMentor · 30/06/2024 16:18

Also needing help for that 1 Saturday with 1 child? Do you have some underlying health conditions or are suffering with your mental health? Because I can’t fathom how a mother can’t cope alone with a 9 month old for a few hours.

This is quite rude. I'm on maternity leave and I look after my baby by myself everyday. Of course I can cope. But it's hard and I don't think there is any shame in that, or any shame in accepting help when it is offered. I'm not a martyr.

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modgepodge · 30/06/2024 16:44

Are you going back full time OP? if not, can you put baby in childcare an extra day/half day in the week and do your extra work then rather than the weekend? (Free hours for 9
month olds are coming in soon if they haven’t already so your bill will still be less than it would have been even with an extra day…)

Also, I found I gave a lot less of a shit going back to teaching after having a baby. I worked a lot fewer hours outside of my paid hours. I don’t go above and beyond anymore. I get through the week and go home!

sandbun67 · 30/06/2024 16:32

Namechangencncnc · 30/06/2024 16:20

For me it's not so much about everyone having equal amounts of free time alone / time off from kids and work etc. I wouldn't like this set up much but my reason for that would be that since I work full time, I give my children me at the weekend in full. I do other stuff after they've gone to bed. My husband is the same as me and it currently works for us.

I wonder if that's what you don't like about it op- the idea that your baby has yet another day of not seeing a parent in the week?

Thank you. I was beginning to think I was going mad with people suggesting family time isn't important?! I don't mean grand days out, just quality time, chilling, chatting and playing with the baby together and not just existing alongside each other while we get through the working week. It's time vs quality time. So I think this hits the nail on the head - the working week can be busy and go like a flash, it feels like the weekends will be the only time DD gets the full attention of her parents.

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Namechangencncnc · 30/06/2024 16:22

AgileMentor · 30/06/2024 16:18

Also needing help for that 1 Saturday with 1 child? Do you have some underlying health conditions or are suffering with your mental health? Because I can’t fathom how a mother can’t cope alone with a 9 month old for a few hours.

Op has quite clearly said she isn't saying it because she needs help with the baby.

Namechangencncnc · 30/06/2024 16:20

For me it's not so much about everyone having equal amounts of free time alone / time off from kids and work etc. I wouldn't like this set up much but my reason for that would be that since I work full time, I give my children me at the weekend in full. I do other stuff after they've gone to bed. My husband is the same as me and it currently works for us.

I wonder if that's what you don't like about it op- the idea that your baby has yet another day of not seeing a parent in the week?

autienotnaughty · 30/06/2024 16:19

I'd try to do work on an evening and dh does bedtime. That way you get a two day break from work. Then ensure you get a few hours to your either Saturday morning or on Sunday. - go gym, see friends, have lay in etc.

Then try to have a bit of family time where you can.

AgileMentor · 30/06/2024 16:18

Also needing help for that 1 Saturday with 1 child? Do you have some underlying health conditions or are suffering with your mental health? Because I can’t fathom how a mother can’t cope alone with a 9 month old for a few hours.

AgileMentor · 30/06/2024 16:17

He goes out 1 out of 3 Saturdays and you can’t find time for family time?

Iloveeverycat · 30/06/2024 16:14

Kelly51 · 30/06/2024 14:55

I think I'm more bothered by the lack of family time
this and you need an extra pair of hands for one child?
You sound very precious, you live together, you share lives why does family time need rinfgfenced?
Enforced time together sounds insufferable.

Agree. I don't understand about family time. We never had family time. What do you want to do with this family time you already spend time together when you are at home.

AsburyPark · 30/06/2024 16:01

OP you’ll be fine, we have the same situation in my house but in reverse - I’m the one with the season ticket who goes to the football every other weekend (ish) and DH regularly picks up a few hours overtime on a Sunday. You’ll get into your routine and find time for family time on evenings, Saturday mornings, closed season/season breaks, any free time etc.

If it’s a ‘big’ local team where he’s paying hundreds of pounds or more for a season ticket then I would assume he’s already paid for or started paying for the next one, so you could always see how things go this season and if it really isn’t working then have the discussion before next renewal about going sporadically from next year.

Greydays10 · 30/06/2024 15:59

EatTheGnome · 30/06/2024 14:27

You take him up on his offer to do 50 50 at weekends, even at the cost of family time and wait for it to wear thin for him.

He will likely conclude that it is better to cut the football back. See how it pans out.

This is an excellent suggestion.
My friend had this with her husband and golf. He felt it was reasonable to play on Sunday mornings taking 6 hours.
She promptly arranged for tennis and brunch on Saturday mornings. He lasted a month, was so grumpy and thought SHE was unreasonable. He was put straight VERY sharply. They don't get it until they live it.

Kelly51 · 30/06/2024 15:55

@sandbun67
You have time together; you live in the same house, you share lives, why the need for Sunday 12-4 is family time? enforced activities ends up breeding resentment.
Go with the flow, he shouldn't need permission to go to a match.

mathanxiety · 30/06/2024 15:54

seedsandseeds · 30/06/2024 14:49

Why does someone need to come and help you with the baby if he isn't there?

Is it possible that there are chores to do, admin tasks to be seen to, grocery lists to make, etc, and the OP isn't spending her Saturday afternoons tickling the baby for five hours?

mathanxiety · 30/06/2024 15:51

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/06/2024 14:19

Can he do nursery pick-ups so you can work late? I'm assuming it's one of these situations where the wife's job subtlety becomes Job B while the husband's is Job A.

Yes to this.

You need to start a conversation about equal sharing of parenting ahead of your return to work. I think that would be more productive for you than focusing on free time, as it would remind him that you are equally parents, and it would also remind him that you are equally employed and earners while equally parents.

Any argument he puts forth based on income difference, if there is one, might come as a shocking eye opener to you, and you should focus on the principle of equal parenting rather than the nuts and bolts on that one.

MultiplaLight · 30/06/2024 15:39

I'd take the offer of the same amount of time child free and have it the morning of the football day. Use it wisely!

Longer term, can you trim down the teacher stuff? (fellow teacher, I know how bad it can be, especially if you've been a young child free person, then return to work). Set those boundaries around your time now. If it's not done, it's not done. No one will die.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 30/06/2024 15:18

Ex teacher here.

So you work 6 days and he works 5?

Id be mega pissed off. How do you grow a family with no family time?

Could you do 4 days? I remember the misery of the ‘extra’ planning day every week.

Yoir ds won’t always be an easy baby. He could be a tantrummkng toddler in 10 months.

Parrotcoop · 30/06/2024 15:09

19 (half?) Saturdays you'll get baby to yourself. You'll miss that when you're back at work too, you might even find you look forward to football Saturdays.

spurs4ever · 30/06/2024 15:04

It's 19 weekends out of 52. You'll have 33 other weekends where he'll be with the family. By your own admission he does all the cooking and most of the cleaning. If you're going to tell him he can't have 6 hours for 19 weekends of the year then I think he'd have every right to be annoyed with that.