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Who is BU, me or DH?

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Saramiah · 30/06/2024 13:03

DH: I’m going to take DC to my parents house for 10am and help my dad with DIY, my brother and his wife are coming with their DC also at 10am, you can pop to the shop (because he’d forgotten to buy them an anniversary present) then join us for dinner at 2pm.

DH at 12.30pm: Where are you?

Me: You told me 2pm?

DH: Yes but it’s rude of you just to turn up for dinner, you should come earlier to socialise and be polite!

Now he’s annoyed with me.

I know I’m autistic, but when he says come for dinner at 2pm, that means come at 2pm, doesn’t it? It doesn’t mean “come at 12pm to socialise politely before we have dinner at 2pm”?

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autienotnaughty · 30/06/2024 17:44

Saramiah · 30/06/2024 13:17

According to him, any “normal” person (ie not autistic) would know that “come at 2pm” really means “come at 1pm to be polite and socialise before we have dinner at 2pm”. Is that true?

I mean I am autistic but if I am given a time I assume it's happening at the time given.

He sounds really rude. And I hate it when people try to use me being autistic as a excuse for their shitty behaviour

workworkwork123 · 30/06/2024 17:44

Branleuse · 30/06/2024 16:35

Id say "dont you turn this round to be on me, when youre the one who cant say what they actually mean. Im not a fucking mind-reader. Ive been buying the gift that you forgot to get, and i was planning to arrive at the time you said"

This!!

I probably would of got there for quarter too to say hello and small talk before dinner but that's it. I would of been happy at the thought of having some peace and quite while the DC we're out and I would not have rushed round at all.

Branleuse · 30/06/2024 16:35

Id say "dont you turn this round to be on me, when youre the one who cant say what they actually mean. Im not a fucking mind-reader. Ive been buying the gift that you forgot to get, and i was planning to arrive at the time you said"

yellowsmileyface · 30/06/2024 14:43

letsgoooo · 30/06/2024 13:57

@Itisjustmyopinion
If some say 'join us for dinner at 2pm' id go for 2pm.

If someone said food will be served at 2pm id go there a bit earlier.

I'm not a mind reader. Join us at 2pm doesn't mean the food will be ready at 2pm to me. It might be ready at 2:30 or 3:00. I was asked to be there at 2:00 it would be weird and rude to turn up earlier than the time I'd been asked to be there at.

This is my take too. Based on the wording I'd assume dinner was being served a bit later than 2pm anyway. It would feel rude to turn up much earlier than the time stated.

Essentially your DH needs to just accept that it was a miscommunication. It's really not a big deal. Getting pissy with someone because "you should have just known" is not on. He should have been clearer.

ThatSongFromTheBar · 30/06/2024 14:06

Saramiah · 30/06/2024 13:17

According to him, any “normal” person (ie not autistic) would know that “come at 2pm” really means “come at 1pm to be polite and socialise before we have dinner at 2pm”. Is that true?

If I was autistic and he said that to me, he could fuck off!

ThatSongFromTheBar · 30/06/2024 14:04

I'd have thought that as long as I was there by 2pm, that was fine. No fucking way I'd be being sent out for an anniversary gift and then accept being moaned at for being late though! If he didn't apologise for being a dick, I'd order a McDonald's, watch a film and ignore the phone.

LovelyDaaling · 30/06/2024 14:01

You haven't been rude. Rude is when you keep everyone waiting before dinner can be served. And it is a family dinner, fgs. Unless royalty has been invited ...

Nanny0gg · 30/06/2024 14:00

Saramiah · 30/06/2024 13:17

According to him, any “normal” person (ie not autistic) would know that “come at 2pm” really means “come at 1pm to be polite and socialise before we have dinner at 2pm”. Is that true?

I would expect to turn up at least 1/2 hour earlier to a meal so I'm not expecting it to be put in front of me as I sit down

I would not expect to be spoken to the way he's speaking to you

letsgoooo · 30/06/2024 13:57

circular2478 · 30/06/2024 13:30

If dinner is at 2pm then I'd arrive before that. It is rude to arrive literally as dinner is being served. I'd arrive for 1.30ish.

@Itisjustmyopinion
If some say 'join us for dinner at 2pm' id go for 2pm.

If someone said food will be served at 2pm id go there a bit earlier.

I'm not a mind reader. Join us at 2pm doesn't mean the food will be ready at 2pm to me. It might be ready at 2:30 or 3:00. I was asked to be there at 2:00 it would be weird and rude to turn up earlier than the time I'd been asked to be there at.

Edenmum2 · 30/06/2024 13:57

I don't like him telling you what to do. It all sounds very formal and silly. My parents wouldn't care what time my partner turned up for dinner and I'm assuming you weren't going to get there at 2pm on the dot. He sounds like a drag.

LaughingElderberry · 30/06/2024 13:56

YANBU. The "normal" people comment would piss me right off.

My response would be that you clearly already know that I am not what you call "normal". So if you expected me to be there before 2pm why didn't you say so? Oh and buy your own bloody gifts in future.

MBM18 · 30/06/2024 13:56

I'm not autistic and if someone told me to come at 2pm, then I'd be arriving at 2pm.

SchoolQuestionnaire · 30/06/2024 13:52

Saramiah · 30/06/2024 13:26

He did ask me nicely if, instead of going with him and DC at 10am, I’d pop to the shop for the gift he forgot and come for dinner at 2pm. I was happy to do that.

The problem is he’s now whinging that I didn’t come earlier than 2pm. Which I don’t think is reasonable since he said 2pm and even texted me it in black and white.

I could have gone earlier. I’ve been back from the shop for ages. But I didn’t because he said 2pm. If he’d said “please grab the gift and come for 1pm to socialise before dinner at 2pm” then I’d have happily done that. But that’s not what he said.

The argument is that he thinks I should “know” that when you’re invited for 2pm you don’t calculate your departure time to arrive at 2pm on the dot, you just come whenever you’re ready. Which really isn’t how my mind works!

I mean, I’m not autistic and I would never be impolite but if dh asked me to arrive at 2pm I’d arrive at 2pm. I’d have assumed that they were busy doing diy until then and that I’d be in the way.

This is a confusing situation though. Generally if he said that dinner was served at 2pm I’d know to arrive earlier, but the fact that he’s helping out with a task beforehand does complicate matters. I think he should definitely have been more clear about what was happening here. I don’t think that your autism is even a factor with this really, he shouldn’t expect you to read his mind. He should explain what’s bloody happening.

Scammersarescum · 30/06/2024 13:49

If he had told me 2pm. I'd have probably turned up at about 1.55pm.

An hour earlier would have seemed rude.

He doesn't sound very nice, bossily sending you off to do wifework and then moaning that you're not a mind reader.

Jamieie · 30/06/2024 13:47

Are autistic people not normal? I've never considered my child not normal because of his autism.

GooseClues · 30/06/2024 13:45

If I told a person to join me for dinner at 2 and they rocked up at 12.30 I would probably wonder if they are NOT NT because it would be a very strange behaviour.
Your husband is an idiot and you interpreting 2pm as 2pm has nothing to do with you being ND.

TeaGinandFags · 30/06/2024 13:43

Inform DH that any normal person would say what the meant and not expect the other person to be a bloody mind reader.

Normal people also adjust their speech so it can be understood by the recipient. E.g. I had a friend who was always late for everything so her arrival time was an hour before the more timely.

BarHumbugs · 30/06/2024 13:43

Saramiah · 30/06/2024 13:26

He did ask me nicely if, instead of going with him and DC at 10am, I’d pop to the shop for the gift he forgot and come for dinner at 2pm. I was happy to do that.

The problem is he’s now whinging that I didn’t come earlier than 2pm. Which I don’t think is reasonable since he said 2pm and even texted me it in black and white.

I could have gone earlier. I’ve been back from the shop for ages. But I didn’t because he said 2pm. If he’d said “please grab the gift and come for 1pm to socialise before dinner at 2pm” then I’d have happily done that. But that’s not what he said.

The argument is that he thinks I should “know” that when you’re invited for 2pm you don’t calculate your departure time to arrive at 2pm on the dot, you just come whenever you’re ready. Which really isn’t how my mind works!

That is definitely a him problem. Is he on the spectrum too as my dad was like that, expected other people to know what was going on in his head as to him it was obvious! He was clear with his instructions and you followed them, how is his poor communication your fault? My father was also a narcissist with absolutely no ability to empathise, I hope that he doesn't have in common with your husband.

Wontletmeusemynormalname · 30/06/2024 13:42

Saramiah · 30/06/2024 13:17

According to him, any “normal” person (ie not autistic) would know that “come at 2pm” really means “come at 1pm to be polite and socialise before we have dinner at 2pm”. Is that true?

No....2pm is when I'd arrive too but wouldn't expect food till 2.30 or later.

LittleLittleRex · 30/06/2024 13:38

I'm NT and would go for 2pm. If he'd said "come for lunch at 2pm," I'd maybe show up 1.45 or so as I'd think 2pm was lunch.

If I was telling my ASD DD to come, I'd say what I mean.

magnoliablooms · 30/06/2024 13:38

Did he actually use the word "normal"?

BarHumbugs · 30/06/2024 13:35

Itisjustmyopinion · 30/06/2024 13:20

I am autistic but I would know it’s rude just to turn up when the food is being served so I think YABU

I am also autistic and if someone tells me to join them for a meal at 2pm I will join them for a meal at 2pm. If they told me to come when I like and food will be dished up at 2pm I would arrive before so not to be rude.

LoveSandbanks · 30/06/2024 13:32

Saramiah · 30/06/2024 13:17

According to him, any “normal” person (ie not autistic) would know that “come at 2pm” really means “come at 1pm to be polite and socialise before we have dinner at 2pm”. Is that true?

But you’re not “normal” and he knows it so he should have been clearer! Any normal , loving husband would have been clearer. If someone is deaf, you face them so they can lip read. This is exactly the same!

this is exactly how I would have interpreted it. Why the fuck do these NTs blame us for their shitty communication?

Talipesmum · 30/06/2024 13:32

Jamieie · 30/06/2024 13:27

If dinner is 2 then you'd arrive before this. It depends how he worded it.

Yes. If he said “join us for dinner at 2pm”, I read that as “join us at 2pm, we will be having dinner”.
If he said “after you bought the present, come round to my parents, we will be eating at 2pm” then I’d arrive earlier before the time of eating, as the 2pm would have referred only to the eating time, not when I was expected to join them.

rumred · 30/06/2024 13:31

He's undermining you and being disingenuous. If I'm invited for 2, I turn up at 2.
Is he always an arse?