To ask who you are voting for?

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 And aside from the violent 'men in frocks' you have the ones infiltrating women's sports. You know, the sports where women are already paid less than men, sponsored less effectively than men, earn less award money than men, get everything less than men. But sure invite the men in frocks into our sports despite it being fact that they are stronger, faster, bigger than women, put Dylan Mulvaney into a sports bra despite having no tits and the only thing that needs supporting is his bollocks, let male swimmers hammer women to the finish in the pool all so some man doesn't have his feelings hurt.

Let women who have been sexually assaulted by multiple men have their smears done by a 'woman' in a nurses uniform complete with a cock. Let women escaping violence from men in women's refuges be 'welcomed' by dick-owning Doris.

Do these people not see that it's not just the fucking toilets that we would like to keep for ourselves?

Haven't you just plopped into FWR as the mother of a trans-identified son you now refer to as 'she's? And you can't see the conflict between single sex spaces and 'trans rights'?
Shocked Pikachu face right here 🙄

Libdems, we've already got a LD candidate in here and she seems to be doing pretty well, labour don't seem to do well here and I don't want to split the anti-tory vote so going with the safe option.

We've also had zero comms from labour, no leaflets or anything but plenty from LD including a knock on the door so they're proactive and seem to want it at least!

@Greywhippet I just can’t see any of the young trans women I have known presenting any danger to anyone, anywhere, ever. If anything they are the vulnerable ones.

Isla Bryson (double rapist), Karen White (multiple rapist, sent to a women's prison, where he committed further assaults), Tiffany Scott (described as one of Scotland's most violent prisoners), Katie Dolatowski (6'5" transwoman who filmed girls in supermaket toilets), Scarlet Blake (murdered a stranger for kicks, tortured a cat), Andrew Miller (abducted and sexually assaulted a child while dressed as a woman - took her into his bed to be "motherly", he said). These are just some of the most famous ones, there are plenty more.

Some trans women are vulnerable (doesn't matter, they're still men; women are not human shields). As for the psychos I've listed above? Vulnerable? Don't make me laugh. I'd rather be poor than meet any of them in a women-only space.

Unions like this one? You're quite right, no-one should be forced into this. But they are. I don't know if this nurse is in a union, and if so, which one, but many unions do not stand up for their employees in such cases.

What do you think they are going to do to you? Seriously?
I’m not trying to diminish your feelings, I just can’t see any of the young trans women I have known presenting any danger to anyone, anywhere, ever. If anything they are the vulnerable ones. Your womanhood is under no threat from them and nor are you personally.
This is why when I see people claim that this issue is enough to prevent them from voting for a party that could potentially make even some very minor positive changes to people’s lives, I just don’t buy it. In the balance, making that positive change that could potentially lift a kid out of poverty is just more important than anything else

No idea to be honest, apart from knowing it definitely WON’T be Conservatives or Reform.

Historically I’ve voted Labour, apart from 2010 when I voted Lib Dem’s (fecking Nick Clegg!). However, I don’t like Keir Starmer and am not convinced on their stance on women’s rights. I don’t feel I could vote Greens either - non-man, floating forced vaginal births etc etc. That leaves Lib Dem’s, but the candidate for them is currently an MP in another area and I can’t find much info about him. I live in a Labour stronghold, so I’m imagining the same again really. When Jeremy Corbyn was in the running I actually wanted to engage with politics and the Labour Party, but I become less and less enthused. The local candidate seems ok, he’s been in since 2019 in this area and he does live here, however I’m not overly keen either. Godknows.

Care to offer any examples of Rishi's misogyny? Care to explain how Starmer's actions that have been cited on this thread as examples of his misogyny, aren't in fact misogyny??

If their changing rooms at work don’t afford them the dignity of getting changed in private, they need to consult their union. Nobody should be forced to get changed in front of anybody else, male or female. I would never get my kit off in front of a colleague of either gender.

@Anonym00se

They may be happy to get changed in front of women. I'm happy to take my clothes off in front of other women. But that choice is being taken from them/us isn't it? Because they/we cannot be sure that the 'woman' in the changing room is actually a bloody woman at all. It could be a man. So, again, women are being made to adapt, Now, your son might be happy to use disabled facilities but other men who claim to be women are not.

It is not a job for women to find a place for these men in our spaces, it is for them to find a place in theirs. If they feel unsafe amongst the men (welcome to how women felt for millennia!) then they need to campaign for their own space. I'll respect their space by not going in it, they should do the same for mine.

Yes this and have you ever been in a meeting where a woman had an idea that was roundly ignored or even derided, but then later on a man says the same thing and he's lauded for it?

Someone asked Starmer if he now agreed with Rosie Duffield who he had previously said shouldn't say only women had a cervix, it just wasn't right . His response was that he agreed with Tony Blair, who said pretty much the same thing.

At last a sensible post .

If their changing rooms at work don’t afford them the dignity of getting changed in private, they need to consult their union. Nobody should be forced to get changed in front of anybody else, male or female. I would never get my kit off in front of a colleague of either gender.

@Anonym00se You what? Where did I say I was? I didn’t say I was in favour (or against) self ID. I’ve never seen a trans person in a changing room in my life, so it’s a bit of a non-issue to me. It’s just hysteria as far as I can see.

Well that's very nice for you. https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5025960/nhs-fife-suspended-complaint-trans-woman/ It's really not a non-issue. Women are being force to change in front of men, and disciplined if they don't. Do you think that's acceptable? Why don't we just make all changing rooms mixed-sex? They're single-sex for a reason.

What about how he treated Rosie? And not listening to women's concerns about sexual violence and safety? And refusal to use the words "single sex space"? And saying some women have penises? And whenever he's asked about women's angle sex spaces he changes the conversation to how vulnerable some men are? Is that not misogynistic enough?

I simply don’t believe Keir Starmer is a misogynist. There is nothing about him that comes across that way. Rishi however…

Tbf it's how quite a lot of Mumsnetters seem to think.

That's interesting to read. The Communists appeal to me in some ways too.

I care less about the possibility of personally finding a man in a female space than I do about the fact the Labour party is very happy to totally ignore female opinion - at least, if we insist upon having the 'wrong' opinion. As I mentioned in a previous post, I am also extremely concerned about the fact Starmer has repeatedly shown himself to be completely fine with women being insulted, intimidated, threatened and attacked. I can't vote for a party that so obviously holds me in absolute contempt.

I also don't really like the idea of being unable to refuse to let a man do my smear test, or share accommodation with me if I go on a female retreat, or watch me get undressed at the gym etc. But if I believed the majority of women were fine with all that and I was just stuck in my ways, I would accept it. I don't believe that. Nor, I believe, does Starmer.

Why aren’t they in any way a threat?

Ok so any women's group or camp or outdoor activity inevitably gets asked if we welcome women with penises, so whether someone turns up or not the women running it have to think about the impact to their group and any of the cervix havers turning up.

Toilets becoming mixed sex to accommodate the women with penises. In such toilets men don't close doors and can be a nuisance especially when combined with alcohol.
In a local prestigious music venue there were two sets of men's toilets and 2 for women. One of the women's toilets are now mixed sex. So now two are men only, one can be used by anyone and there is only one single sex set of toilets for women. Considering women need to deal with periods and so on it doesn't make sense that it's their toilets that have become mixed sex and not the men's. Womens facilities have been halved for a tiny minority?

The nurses at a Darlington hospital having to change with a man who calls himself Rose

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/nurses-suing-their-employer-for-allowing-trans-women-to-use-their-changing-rooms-13160104

Conservative but I have no enthusiasm this time. I normally vote conservative but I did have a good think before hand as I just feel they have really run out of steam after so many years in power they just don’t inspire me. Labour have always been too socially left wing for me- eg trans rights. I also really do not like the views of the extreme left within the party who I don’t feel at the moment are silenced. Jeremy Corbyn terrified me- I just couldn’t vote them this time until I’m proved wrong that the extreme left of the Labour Party are successfully kept away from the cabinet by Keir. I like Keir, but Labour Party I feel can be rather nasty at times believing they have ownership on morality in this country and if you’ve voted Tory in the past your evil. Eg people that go to their conferences with T-shirts saying “ kill a tory” just repulses me. I feel they’ve done a lot to shut down real debate in this country, because if you don’t agree with them you must be evil and then cancelled. I looked at the independents- but to be quite frank they came across as nutters!- one wanted to make all children homeschoolers. I thought about reform but some of the stuff their candidates have come out with- rascist and sexist put me off. So I feel pretty politically homeless at the moment. I did think about spoiling my ballot but I just don’t like that idea. So I have ended up with conservatives mainly based on my local MP who has helped me out with a few things in the past, so I voted for him rather than the party.

Yeah I really have, and- I am assuming unlike you and many other GC women- know and work with many trans people, none of whom are in any way a threat to you

🤣 very good

I am staggered at the posters focusing on a single issue, that probably tiny numbers have faced in real life.

Seriously, how many of you have been faced with a trans woman in your space?

I am not dismissing the issue, it absolutely needs to be addressed. And female spaces must be protected 100%.

But frankly, don't we have other issues, after 14 long and miserable years of this shit-show.

Yeah you really haven't been following this.

Conservative. Dual issue voter - women's rights (which don't exist if men can be women) and VAT on school fees.