To ask who you are voting for?

I’ll be voting Conservative. It’s a protest vote, not one I want to make. Labour have cemented their views on women’s rights in the worst way, their manifesto is either unrealistic or straight up guff. The Tories are arseholes but at least it’s ’devil you know’ arseholes. Feels awful going against my long held values, but since Labour are doing that for me anyway might as well go the full swing.

You seem transfixed on this belief that we find these men a 'threat' and that's our only issue. Let's say your daughter is the best female runner in the world, she has spent her entire life training, sacrificing and giving her all to become the best athlete to ever win the gold medal. But she doesn't, not because another motivated female runner pips her to the post but because a mediocre male runner 'transitions', using his male muscle mass, his male stamina, his male strength to beat her. But it's okay because he's no 'threat' to her. Is that fair?

Your daughter goes out one night and is violently gang raped by a group of males - she makes the brave decision to report it and will undergo a series of invasive, internal examinations. She's now, in that moment, frightened to death of men and requests the examiner to be a woman. But oh no, in walks the 'female' nurse, who is clearly not female but identifies as such and there is nothing your daughter can do about it. So, in her panic, she refuses her examination, retracts her statements and her rapists walk free. Is that okay?

It's not just about us being able to piss in our own toilets, the more we give away the more they will take.

It doesn't matter if there are a minority of these men in women's spaces, if even just ONE removes the dignity of a woman, the chances of a woman, the right to a female space from a woman then it is one too many.

They're not 'going quietly about their new life' really though are they? Unless they're asking the females whose spaces their encroaching on how they feel?

But they're inconsequential remember, we're nothing compared to the vaulted ones.

And some women have the most unimaginable trauma caused by men and would find any male in their space scary or triggering, regardless of how they presented. It doesn't mean that they're a threat, the fear response is still real.

Why would anyone want to walk into a space and cause that?

Nasty comment.

She'd be parenting based in reality. Its generally good thing to live in reality, more people should try it

Voting Green

Don't like Tories, Lib Dem or Labour.

Got to be honest, I've not looked at the Reform manifesto

Same and same

@protectoroftherealm what a horrible mother you would be!

Oh for crying out loud.

1. I didn't say I was voting Tory
2. I didn't say, nor imply, that "all transwomen are violent criminals because some are"
3. "Some men, some women, some people of all nationalities, creeds and colour are dangerous criminals. " Yes, and FAR MORE MEN THAN WOMEN ARE DANGEROUS CRIMINALS. WE ALL KNOW THIS! And the offending pattern of transwomen follows that of men, not women.
4. "Basic human rights" do not include the right to use single-sex spaces of the opposite sex.

Are you clear now?

Then I would have the discussion with him that whilst I would love him, never turn my back on him but I would never consider him a female, a woman or use false pronouns. He would always be my son, never my daughter because it's absolutely impossible.

But it doesn’t mean they are a threat. Some horrible views in this thread . Some people really suffer with anxiety, depression and gender dysphoria and quietly gi about their new life. Some posters seem to think all trans women are rapists and abusers. Horrible attitude..

wouldn’t change biological facts

What if it was your son who had always felt they were in the wrong body?

You mean, a man?

Yes, it’s always noticeable.

No, he shouldn’t be in there.

So, they'd be a man who has had his penis removed, probably has fake breasts and who takes some synthetic hormones. Still a man. Still needs to be in the male spaces. Because - male.

What if a man transitions to a ‘woman’ and has the operation to alter their genitals and remove the penis, take female hormones and live as a woman because they have always felt that way? You wouldn’t know that in a changing room. I don’t look at anyone else in an open changing room.

The didn't say they were a mother, I don't think? And the way they refer to women screeching and screaming about their rights seems very misogynistic.

Deny what basic human rights?

It doesn’t matter if they are criminals or not; they shouldn’t be in women’s spaces if they were born with a penis, even if they are the second coming of Mother Teresa

Probably Tory because our local MP is a nice, decent bloke who has done a lot for our town and is always popping up everywhere and even helps clearing up the verges.

There isn’t really a decent alternative for us and I don’t want to vote Labour.

You haven’t read the full thread, have you? It’s all there. Fill your boots.

"Are we going to deny everyone their basic human rights on this basis?"

Whose human rights are being denied?

If you want to vote Tory that’s your business but implying that all transwomen are violent criminals because some are is not the powerful argument you seem to think it is. Some men, some women, some people of all nationalities, creeds and colour are dangerous criminals. Are we going to deny everyone their basic human rights on this basis?

The LibDems don't want your vote if you are a sex realist.

Lib Dem. It’s the only decent choice. I’d vote labour if it was my option to get the tories out but Lib Dem’s have a good chance in my area.