To ask who you are voting for?

Conservative. Locally, my MP is wonderful. And I also admire Kemi. I can’t vote for a party who doesn’t know what a woman is, and I don’t want to vote Reform. For me, it’s vital Labour are kept out.

Why should I vote Labour just because everyone else is believing the land of milk and honey is just a tick away?

I don't think anyone is believing that?
Just we've had 14 years of public services getting worse and worse (NHS, community centres shutting down etc)
Just think a "change of scenery" and a hope for a better standard of living is more likely than more of the same shit we've got now?
I do anyway

They’re all arseholes. But not voting or spoiling my ballot is only making it easier for Labour. As I said, they will win in my area and will probably get that landslide for the whole country. Realistically we’re only looking at two parties fighting for power, and since my arm is (metaphorically) being twisted I’d sooner have Sunak than Starmer running the country. The Labour mp running for my area has made zero allusions to how they’d help the local area, just repeating all of the party’s soundbites, whilst our current Conservative MP has actually put work into an area of high poverty/low income. Why should I vote Labour just because everyone else is believing the land of milk and honey is just a tick away?

OK. I'd prefer to take my chances with Labour than trust a government that have proven repeatedly to lie, break the law and be incapable of governing. After Truss I can't believe anyone could possibly take them seriously. Especially as Rishi is toast - who knows who they'll pick next?

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It hasn’t been rebuilt until it elects Labour MPs which it hopefully will on Thursday. I’m beginning to think everything you post is invented. Why do you want me to persuade you of anyth8ng? I don’t want to. I simply pointed out an irrationality in the way you were pretending to decide.
I now think you aren’t in a Labour stronghold and are just stirring. Nothing adds up. I’m out. Have a good evening.

It was the Tories you are calling arseholes @LostTheMarble .

@LostTheMarble
The Tories are arseholes but at least it’s ’devil you know’ arseholes

So - you'd rather vote for a party you "know" are arseholes over a party that you think "might" be arseholes given half a chance?!
Make it make sense 😭

And Labour are demonstrably not arseholes? When it comes to defending sex based rights for one, evidently not so. They seem to not have much care for teachers either, just seeing them as replaceable robots who will gain those academic results purely from the power of a Labour government….

Until I read this post I had no idea that a person would vote for a party they know to be proven arseholes?

Perhaps. But in 5 years time when Labour have done (at best) nothing, at worst fucked up further and trying to pin it all ‘on the previous government’, I’m pretty sure many a new Labour voter will be wondering where their marbles where when they believed the ‘things can only get better’ line (again, you’d think how things ended with the Blair government would be a bit of a damn clue with Tony 2.0 at the helm). Going to be interesting to see what develops over the next 5 years, I'm sure one of us will be proven to have been a bit mad in the here and now 🙂.

You're obviously entitled to vote for who you like, but I honestly don't get this mindset.
I'm a woman, and I think it's absolutely bonkers that anyone would think that voting Conservative is the way to go as they care about women.
No they bloody don't!
I feel a hell of a lot unsafer under them than I ever have under Labour.

Apt username 😂

Imo the red wall crumbled because folk wanted Brexit done. It’s been rebuilt.
Why not accept the challenge to convince me? Go through each point I make and topple it. Have stamp duty, CGT and IHT been discussed in Labour’s manifesto?
Come on! You can do better than be disinterested!

The red wall crumbled last time.
i have no interest in persuading you. I was simply pointing out that deciding on the basis of stuff you think a party will do when they’ve said they won’t is a bit unusual.

Same, as in voting for them and think they're best for NHS and care.
Also because I love our Labour MP and think she does a great job so would like to keep her in too.

If I didn’t want to be convinced I wouldn’t have offered you the opportunity. I’ve expressly told you (twice) I have reservations about Conservatives. There’s more than one way to levy tax from pensioners, you know. My age group - not saying any/all applies to me - faces downsizing (stamp duty), triple lock, CGT, IHT, possibly paying DGCs’ public school fees. Has Starmer promised not to touch these? No, only triple lock, and we all know politicians don’t keep promises. This man needs to levy money and he already wants to apply VAT to public school fees which is causing concern for some.
So go for it, @cardibach. Convince me. Stop me being an odd bod in a Labour stronghold.
Alternatively have no fear. This stronghold will remain Labour. Absolutely it will. I’m in the red wall which is solidly built.

Because you don’t want to be convinced. You’ve said you are worrying about Starmer doing something he’s expressly said he won’t, so whatever I say you’ll discount. At that point, the only thing left is to say vote to get/keep the Tory out. If there’s no chance of them getting in (and strongholds don’t always stay that way) then you’ve no worries.

@cardibach Even though you can’t recall all the points I’ve made (fair enough), you haven’t acknowledged my response to your challenge. Why, I wonder, nor have you tried to convince me why I should vote Labour other than to keep out Conservatives. I live in a Labour stronghold, remember!

Ereyraa · Today 22:33
greengreyblue · Today 22:11
What if it was your son who had always felt they were in the wrong body?

are you defensive because this is your son?

I don’t know the answer to your question to this poster but, were it my son, hell, of course I would defend him.

Wouldn’t (shouldn’t) we all put our loved ones above strangers?

Funnily enough I don’t remember the points of everyone I discuss with. You were fretting about him coming after pensioners because they aren’t ’working people’ I think. Not sure what the rest has to do with what we were discussing really.
Anyway, vote for whoever gets or keeps the Tories out because they are lying, cheating, law breaking incompetents with contempt for everyone other than their friends and family. We know this from their actions.

The Tories won’t get in. Not in my area anyway. As I said, it’s a protest vote - if there was any other half decent option in my area I’d vote for them. I’m aware of all the things the Tories have done, my mind is made up.

Oh, and I don’t want a party in power who will make it easier for medical eugenics to take advantage of my autistic children struggling with puberty. Because I am a good mother, not a ‘be kind’ fantasist @greengreyblue

Do you know what Tories have done to women over the last 14 years?

I despair honestly. A vote for the Tories is not a vote for women’s rights.

are you defensive because this is your son?

No, I'm actually a really good mother with a son whose entire existence is surrounded by love, support, fact and reality! Thanks though xx