To ask who you are voting for?

Women died so you could vote

Still Spartacus.

Correct. And transwomen are by far the most likely to be victims of an attack in a public toilet than perpetrators“

Oh get you spoiling things with your facts, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 😁

Correct. And transwomen are by far the most likely to be victims of an attack in a public toilet than perpetrators.

Presumably because they’ve had no problems, hitherto. As I haven’t, aged 60.

I wonder why Starmer isn’t worried about his wife and daughter in changing rooms going forward.

The issue is that it doesn’t need to be all or indeed any trans women that are a threat - by opening up the space to those are are genuine it facilitates an easy access opportunity for males with sinister intent and believe me there will be absolutely be some looking to exploit the system. I used to work closely with convicted sex offenders and the lengths that some went to to groom or create situations where they could commit crimes ‘under the radar’ would turn your stomach. For that reason I cannot vote for Kier.

Anyone harping about voting for the Tories because they support women's rights should have a look at the thread where the OP can't get a surgical abortion because clinics don't receive funding for them any more. No doubt due to the cuts.

Lib Dems. I have always voted for Tories however unhappy with how they’ve handled a lot of issues close to me and also I really dislike the MP in my constituency. Not voting for Labour as I genuinely don’t believe much will change

Until someone does pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Then they don’t like it. Exhibit A: Angela Rayner.

I understood that, but I stand by my statement. I wouldn't trust the Tories to have the best interests of any vulnerable person at heart, especially when so many of them have a pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps mentality and see vulnerability as a moral failing.

I think in your shoes I would be undecided for the same reason, though. I think for me the answer would be whether I felt my voting choice was in the best interests of those remaining in the country.

I was born in the north of England where if you don't vote Labour you're under 21 or not a British citizen. After Mum and I moved down south and she married my late stepdad, I was brought up with the attitude that if you don't vote Conservative it means you must be a card-holding member of the Communist Party......I worked as a civil servant at the time and any hint of Communist inclinations could have cost me my job (which Mum didn't appreciate, despite being a retired civil servant herself).

When I moved to a different city after marriage i made my own mind up about who to vote for but it was never the Tories ! Where I live now the local Lb Dems are very good as local councillors but not quite sure if they're able to stand up to the strength of the local Tory vote at a national election.

For myself, I think I'll be voting Labour.

I respect that, and thank you for clarifying.

Labour. I prefer green but it's a tactical vote to get cons out

Yes, I’m going to.

It was a genuine question, not a goady one, to illustrate what my issue is. Let’s say I did vote conservative, and somehow because enough people did they managed to keep hold of power, I wouldn’t actually have to live with the consequences of my vote. Whatever happens, I won’t have to live with the consequences of my vote - so should I have a say? I’m not sure.

And yes, I am okay with being called selfish. That is just a statement of fact, rather than an attempt at goading. Some people think well of me, and some don’t - I don’t worry about it.

I replied to answer OP’s question, that’s all.

Listen, I was just trying to encourage you to vote regardless of whether you would be directly impacted or not.

The “what if that were Conservative” and being ok with being selfish comments did come across as goady.

You do whatever you feel is best.

Lib Dem, for what it’s worth. Although I did vote Labour earlier this year.

She said the most vulnerable of those I care about.

I’m not actually being goady, I’m genuinely undecided because I’m not sure it’s ’right’ for me to have a say when for better or worse I don’t have to live with any consequences of my vote.

Labour. By far the best candidate where I am.

No, I’m not.

They asked who should they vote for if the most vulnerable person they could think of would be better off under the conservatives. I said vote conservative.

If they had said the most vulnerable person that they knew would be better off under Lib Dem/Labour/Greens then my answer would have changed accordingly.

DontBiteTheCat

Then I would say vote Conservative?

I’m not trying to lead you in any particular direction,

You are - a bit!

They haven’t, but I suspected the poster was trying to be goady.

They have already said they only consider themselves when voting anyway, so I think we can guess who they would vote for. No major loss.

Since when have the Tories ever championed the wellbeing of the vulnerable?

Then I would say vote Conservative?

I’m not trying to lead you in any particular direction, I’m simply saying the ability to vote is a privilege and even if the result won’t directly impact you, It WILL impact millions of other people.

Well of course.

What if that vulnerable person was best represented by the conservatives?

When I do vote I do so in my best interests anyway, so ‘selfish’ could easily be leveled at me regardless of what I do, and tbh that’s fine, it’s not a charge that troubles me.