To ask who you are voting for?

DontBiteTheCat
The money you’ve earned through “hard work” will go to someone who hasn’t worked hard? Who do you mean?“

That will be all of those lazy, workshy scroungers, living the high life courtesy of this government’s generous benefits system. You know, the ones with the latest iPhone and forrin holidays every year.

CobaltQueen · Today 12:52
At least the other parties can define what a woman actually is. All our hard earned rights as women will be thrown away under Labour”

Where have you read this? Not in the manifesto.

The money you’ve earned through “hard work” will go to someone who hasn’t worked hard? Who do you mean?

At least the other parties can define what a woman actually is. All our hard earned rights as women will be thrown away under Labour. It's embarrassing watching Starmer not answer the question properly about who he defines as a biological woman. He can't answer yet this is who will be running the country in a few days. It's terrifying.
I also worry that working hard and saving hard will be pointless as the money will just go to someone that hasn't. Thousands of reasons more why I won't vote them. I'm surprised so many women are but I'm not getting into a mumsnet bust up over it.

And the other parties do?

Definitely not Labour as they don't have womens rights at their core amongst many other reasons.

I'm struggling, up until recently I would have said labour. But several things putting me off

• attitude on women, I have 2 daughters so this is high on agenda for me
• there is a new Labour mp in our area and she is a very unpleasant person, very much 'do as i say' rather than 'do as i do'. Very derogatory towards nhs staff and children wuth disabilities. She is an acquaintance of a friend and just horrible.
• attitude towards pensioners. Gordon Brown raided the private pension of my hard working parents, and now Labour are going after anyone with a private or work based pension again.

So it will probably be Tory for me as thats the only other option in my area.

I’m starting to think the same!

Labour. Our Tory MP is awful (and that’s not simply because they are Tory, I quite liked the Tory MP in our previous area). I have always voted Lib Dem, but Labour is the only viable option here.

On a national level, I am pro adding VAT to private education, pro green energy, against meaningless tax cuts, and … oh, yes, against immoral corruption in parliament to the tune of breaking Covid law, betting scandals, conducting affairs in your place of work, a PM criticising racist comments only to take millions in donations from a know racist, fudging personal expenses and correct tax report, failures to declare business interests, maintaining tax loop holes for personal gain, multiple failures to elect a party leader, sex offenders and viewing porn in the House of Commons.

Run out of room now.

1. Reduce immigration (lowering British productivity, economic success, and providing less tax revenue)
2. Defund the BBC (removing a critical impartial voice which could oppose their pro-Russian agenda)
3. End the green nonsense (by making us more dependent on Russian oil & gas)
4. Depoliticise the QANGOS & civil service (to give themselves no checks and balances, allowing them to pursue a destabilising pro-Russian agenda)
5. Public inquiry into excess deaths & vaccine harms (what a waste of money)
6. They know what a woman is (removing the Equality act, forcing you into work after 2 offers, privatising the NHS for profit and supporting the likes of Andrew Tate are misogynistic policies which erode women’s rights)

Well yes, but under Labour l imagine they'll soon have to pay for it, like we now have to pay for the NHS dentist, those on benefits will still get it free, the wealthy will be private or not be overly impacted by the fees. But we'll be expected to pay with a smile chanting 'we're so lucky to work and pay taxes.. the greater good'.

That's not what happened under the last Labour government. They made things fairer for the majority of people. If the Tories get in again there will be no NHS for anyone, regardless of income.

Tories

I think women using this as a reason to vote Tory are merely trying to make excuses for what they know is unreasonable. Hiding behind it just like when people who didn't care about racism used antisemitism as an excuse not to vote Labour.

I totally agree.

Labour. The Conservatives have ruined this country which is worse in every way since 2010. No way on earth do they deserve another 5 years.

Labour.
I want the Tories out and in my constituency, labour has the only shot of beating them.

tweezers2024 · Today 11:30
Is there a chance that people voting for reform as a protest vote will have the same effect as the Brexit vote?

Unlikely with constituencies set as they are. Most generous poll I’ve seen suggested 8 seats. Most suggest far less.

Well yes, but under Labour l imagine they'll soon have to pay for it, like we now have to pay for the NHS dentist, those on benefits will still get it free, the wealthy will be private or not be overly impacted by the fees. But we'll be expected to pay with a smile chanting 'we're so lucky to work and pay taxes.. the greater good'.

If I knew anyone voting Reform or for George Galloway’s Workers party they would be dead to me - the pro russian stance is utterly terrifying

Labour.

I work in a role with SEN youngsters. We now have a 3 year waiting list for autism assessment locally. My friend's dad spent 3 days on a corridor in A and E. My son's mental health was destroyed by the Gove curriculum expectations on him, and he's not alone - school "refusal" has skyrocketed. Academy chains with heads paid 100s of K salaries, and "zero tolerance" policies that don't consider disabilities and discriminate horribly against young people. Millions frittered away by Tories on ridiculous hobbying like Free Schools, Rwanda, PPE. The fucking disaster of Brexit. The scalping of local authority funding; in my job I had 10 years of salary freeze and then 1-2 percent offers. In real terms my pay has plummeted.

I am worried about women's rights, but I am hopeful that either the issues will become clear from looking at Germany etc. and I do think that pennies have dropped that some safeguarding in hospitals, schools, rape centres etc is necessary.

Labour

Im not sure the whole being able to identify a woman outweighed absolutely everything else. Especially as Tories have policies that disproportionately disadvantage women.

It is Labour v Tories in my seat so not point voting for anyone else - otherwise I’d consider Lib Dems due to their stance on EU.

Is there a chance that people voting for reform as a protest vote will have the same effect as the Brexit vote?

This! 👏👏

For me, it's also what this rhetoric means on a bigger scale. Anyone who says 'a woman can have a penis' can't then convince me they know what's best for the economy.

So I can't possibly vote for Labour. Nor will I be voting for my Tory MP (stronghold), who made lives a misery during lockdown. He, frankly, can fuck right off!!

#politically homeless

This is the problem.

Tory policy might disproportionately affect women but at least we would retain the meagre rights we have that protect us in other ways.

But I still won't vote for them.

I'm very glad that Westminster stopped the GRR bill. I used to want independence but I've changed my mind.