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To think that too many people are in denial that they should not drive?

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Onomatofear · 29/06/2024 19:19

I hear about countless examples of elderly people or people with health problems getting behind the wheel of a car when they shouldn't be. Why do they do it?

I remember my dh's granddad doing it. Now it's my dad. He's 78 and can barely walk without falling over and he refuses to accept that he shouldn't be on the road. About 6 months ago, he accidentally drove over a pedestrian island thinking it was an actual road. I pointed out to my mum that him being old wouldn't count as a defence. She still gets in the car with him(!)

And before you say why don't I report him, it's easy to say but I've reported someone before for the same sort of thing and he figured out it was me and went mad at me. It's even more difficult to report your own parent.

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Onomatofear · 29/06/2024 20:29

Ladyandherspaniel · 29/06/2024 20:26

I've said this on here recently. My Mum and Dad got mowed down by a 80 year old over Xmas turning straight into the path of their motorbike.

The cctv show there was absolutely no reason for it. Even the police have said so and the driver has been charged heavily.

My Dad died in the ambulance and is still in hospital now after getting MRSA in his leg after the 13 hour op he had to try to save his foot hasn't been as successful as they hoped.

He's looking at having to have his leg removed. Through absolutely no fault of his own. He had 8 working lights on his bike, it was the middle of the day and the driver just turned straight into the on going traffic and hit my parents bike.

My Dad has spent 6 months in and out of hospital, theatre, a rehab centre. He was home for 6 weeks but he physically can't get Into a car and can't walk out of the front door.

What doesn't make it any better is many of these older drivers are driving SUV type vehicles which cause even more damage if they have an accident.

My families experience may cloud my judgement and I'm aware this could've been a 40 year old or a 19 Yr old driving that car but I've come across many cases where you wonder why someone is still driving.

The older generation can have free travel, why not enjoy it.

How awful Sad I'm so sorry.

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Bumblebeeinatree · 29/06/2024 20:28

I always feel half the people on the road shouldn't be driving. Boy racers my biggest hate, new drivers, I know they should get better. Those who think they know better than everyone else and will teach you how to drive. Those who tailgate on the motorway, and those who won't move over on the motorway, those on their phones, not wearing seatbelts, children lose in the car, more people in the car than seats, no insurance, no tax, it goes on and on, why single out older people?

Onomatofear · 29/06/2024 20:26

I'm happy to drive him - he knows this. My mum is also still a competent driver.

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Ladyandherspaniel · 29/06/2024 20:26

I've said this on here recently. My Mum and Dad got mowed down by a 80 year old over Xmas turning straight into the path of their motorbike.

The cctv show there was absolutely no reason for it. Even the police have said so and the driver has been charged heavily.

My Dad died in the ambulance and is still in hospital now after getting MRSA in his leg after the 13 hour op he had to try to save his foot hasn't been as successful as they hoped.

He's looking at having to have his leg removed. Through absolutely no fault of his own. He had 8 working lights on his bike, it was the middle of the day and the driver just turned straight into the on going traffic and hit my parents bike.

My Dad has spent 6 months in and out of hospital, theatre, a rehab centre. He was home for 6 weeks but he physically can't get Into a car and can't walk out of the front door.

What doesn't make it any better is many of these older drivers are driving SUV type vehicles which cause even more damage if they have an accident.

My families experience may cloud my judgement and I'm aware this could've been a 40 year old or a 19 Yr old driving that car but I've come across many cases where you wonder why someone is still driving.

The older generation can have free travel, why not enjoy it.

UnpackingBooksFromBoxes · 29/06/2024 20:26

Onomatofear · 29/06/2024 20:22

I remember reading a post on here, the last time I reported someone, from a woman who said she reported her mum, the DVLA took away her license, sent her letters to tell her to stop driving and she still kept driving anyway.

If I speak to him and tell him his driving is no longer safe, he does a snort as if to say I'm making it up and it's ludicrous.

He's responsible for his actions - not me. My life is not easy as is. I don't have a support system except for my parents.

Excuses
You know that he shouldn’t drive and you’re turning a blind eye.
How bad does he have to get before you will do something?

TheHateIsNotGood · 29/06/2024 20:25

I agree OP - if it's a relative and they need to be prevented from driving, whilst official channels take their course pop the hood and take out the starter motor.

And whilst they can't drive make sure that your relative's reasons for driving are covered by you or someone else quite willingly.

Otherwis the elderly driver will continue to drive out of necessity.

Blackcats7 · 29/06/2024 20:23

There was an awful case years ago in a small town near me where three people were run over when an elderly driver mounted the pavement and then confused the break and the accelerator. Am on the south coast, big retirement area and there are numerous elderly drivers seen locally driving very slowly, often forgetting to indicate.
The other end of the age range cause more accidents with young men using their cars as toys but drivers not noticing or accepting their declining abilities is certainly a big issue.

Onomatofear · 29/06/2024 20:22

I remember reading a post on here, the last time I reported someone, from a woman who said she reported her mum, the DVLA took away her license, sent her letters to tell her to stop driving and she still kept driving anyway.

If I speak to him and tell him his driving is no longer safe, he does a snort as if to say I'm making it up and it's ludicrous.

He's responsible for his actions - not me. My life is not easy as is. I don't have a support system except for my parents.

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UnpackingBooksFromBoxes · 29/06/2024 20:20

Onomatofear · 29/06/2024 19:48

If your dad found out it was you would he have disinherited you? Because that's what will happen to me. And I'm disabled and have disabled children.

And reporting someone and making them lose their license is not always enough to stop them driving.

You’re making excuses.
Maybe if he dies in a collision your inheritance will numb the pain.
It's not about you or your family it’s about the safety of everyone else.
Give me his details, I’ll gladly report him.

Sierra259 · 29/06/2024 20:19

DannyLovesFanny · 29/06/2024 19:57

I've long held the opinion that driving licences should only be valid for a maximum of 10 years, after which you need to retake your test. Plus, a mandatory eyesight test every 12 months.

Absolutely this!

RandomMess · 29/06/2024 20:17

I asked the optician if I was still ok to drive without wearing glasses.

Yes, just in the legal limit"

Why the hell has they not already said "you're borderline for driving so start wearing them" AngryAngryAngryAngryAngry

I think 75 is too late to start mandatory retesting, more like 55 or even every 5-10 years for everyone.

How does anyone know when they aren't competent anymore and some people never seem to get competent. With the new hazard perception tests that would weed out a fair few folk.

PlantDoctor · 29/06/2024 20:17

Furrydogmum · 29/06/2024 20:15

I think you do, but just tick the boxes and off you go!

You just have to self declare you're fit to drive I believe!

PlantDoctor · 29/06/2024 20:17

Anyone who knows anyone no longer capable of driving should report them immediately, if they won't listen to reason. My MIL drove us to a family wedding about 10 years ago and we were horrified by her driving. DH had a discussion with her and she gave up her licence because she could see she was unsafe. If the person won't do that, they need to be reported.

I also think that EVERYONE should have to take a test every ~10 years. I know it will never happen as it wouldn't make politicians popular, but my God, the standard of driving is horrendous sometimes.. no-one's perfect but some are highly dangerous.

Greentapemeasure · 29/06/2024 20:16

If he’ll disinherit you then ask someone else to report him and tell him it was them, perhaps there’s a neighbour or cousin or friend of the family that would take the fall for you?

Furrydogmum · 29/06/2024 20:15

justasking111 · 29/06/2024 20:09

In Wales aged 70 you have to renew your licence every three years. Is this not the case in England?

I think you do, but just tick the boxes and off you go!

Guitarstringscar · 29/06/2024 20:13

Take his keys off him. Report him to the dvla. Would you rather he kill someone. As a road death investigator I saw many old people kill or maim other road users because they shouldn’t be driving. Take action before he wipes someone out.

justasking111 · 29/06/2024 20:09

In Wales aged 70 you have to renew your licence every three years. Is this not the case in England?

TurtleMoon · 29/06/2024 19:59

A few months ago, a car turning right onto a busy road in our town mounted the pavement and ploughed into a shop. Thankfully, the shop was closed and there was no one waiting at the bus stop he whizzed past. The car was relatively new and the air bags deployed, so the driver was OK too. Apparently, the brakes didn't work. The driver was 92. It could have been considerably worse as this happened less than an hour before the nearby primary turns out.

My grandad stopped driving a few years ago, when he scored so badly on an eye test his results weren't even on the charts... He kept his car though, so relatives can drive him around if need be.

DannyLovesFanny · 29/06/2024 19:57

I've long held the opinion that driving licences should only be valid for a maximum of 10 years, after which you need to retake your test. Plus, a mandatory eyesight test every 12 months.

Blarn · 29/06/2024 19:51

I met someone who was seriously injured and her daughter killed by an elderly driver. Didn't see they were on a crossing, ploughed through them and carried on driving with the scooter still stuck under the car, only stopped when another car drove in front of him then he had to. Hadn't noticed a thing. He wasn't safe to drive and may have also had family members wishing he would stop but didn't do anything.

CloudPop · 29/06/2024 19:51

Swollenandgrouchy · 29/06/2024 19:21

Because they don’t want to give up their independence. Not defensible, but that’s the reason.

Precisely

Onomatofear · 29/06/2024 19:49

The solution would be if it became law that everyone needs to take an assessment at say 75 and every 3 -5 years after to ensure they remain fit to drive

I agree.

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Onomatofear · 29/06/2024 19:48

VickyEadieofThigh · 29/06/2024 19:23

I reported my Dad. I didn't care if he found out it was me - his poor sight and failing cognitive function (he was 87) made him a danger to others and himself. He lost his licence to the relief of the whole family.

He decided it was the eye clinic who reported him and we all agreed with this notion.

If your dad found out it was you would he have disinherited you? Because that's what will happen to me. And I'm disabled and have disabled children.

And reporting someone and making them lose their license is not always enough to stop them driving.

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snoopyfanaccountant · 29/06/2024 19:48

Thankfully when my dad was diagnosed with vascular dementia he acknowledged that his driving days were over and he sold his car to my step brother (he had had a TIA previously and hadn't driven since it). He still had hopes of reviving his private pilot licence though as the dementia took over.
DM had a neighbour many years ago who had cataract surgery and after she had had it told DM that it was great that she could now see as well as all the other drivers on the road.

Createausername1970 · 29/06/2024 19:46

My brother and I wanted my dad to give up driving, and I think he probably would have done as I think it was worrying him, but it was my mum that dug her heels in and insisted he was fine and refused to discuss it.

Then she told us he went the wrong way on a roundabout and went down the exit slip lane of a motorway and had to do a three point turn which scared her, and then got lost about a mile from home on the way back.

Thankfully she told us about those two incidents straightaway, and came round to our way of thinking and my brother arranged for the car to be sold a day or so later. They got a reasonable price for it and we went through the figures and showed them that with the money they got for the sale for the car, the savings in fuel, road tax insurance, MOT and servicing, they had a decent sized taxi fund.

It was loss of independence and not wanting to admit that my dad was showing signs of dementia that was at the root of my mum's refusal to engage.

It's was a scary time and my brother and I had actually decided to report him the after the weekend, so we were relieved it ended with mutual agreement rather than being enforced.

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