How many times do you take being overlooked for promotion

Watch this - and look for another job!

Now is the time, overlooked twice I’d just go

I find it very odd that it doesn't occur to you that you're being rude and goady to a person you have never met for no reason whatsoever, but you do you.

i find it very odd that it doesn’t occur to you op that it may be a case that they don’t think you are able to take on the promotion

How do you tell if it's the workplace with it's own agenda or that Op is not ready.

If she tries for other jobs or tries a different workplace and progression there - it removes the variable of her current workplace being the problem.

If she can't progress or get another job then it's clearer that there stuff she needs to develop and she will likely get some feedback she can work with.

Staying at current position especially if she been given feedback she doing well -ie no areas that need work - just means she is none the wiser what the problems blocking her progression are. If she not ready but they aren't prepare to tell her that then it's hardly worth sticking round as they still aren't invested in helping OP progress. If she not told where she lacking or how to improve there may always be better candidates.

Looking what out there - just seems sensible move all round.

I've only ever been 'promoted' once, and that was in a minimum wage job, zero hours contract. I worked there for 15 years and had a 2 quid ph payrise in all that time.
But I'm such a doormat I just took it. No wonder I ended up having a nervous breakdown!

Dude, what is your problem?! Do you want a boot so you can kick the op some more?

She has been told by management that she's a good candidate.

oh seriously
saying that not securing a promotion maybe down to not being viewed as ready for it is “sticking the boot in” 🙄

@trextape sticking the boot in there much?

Once was enough for me, we had a promotion freeze for one year in an old job but I was “guaranteed” it the next year. I was young and naive enough to not get that in writing.

Next year they promoted three men who regularly went drinking with the managers, I was better than all of them. I contacted a recruiter the next day and gave my notice in within a month, was moving to another job where I was paid more than I would have been if I’d got the promotion.

Best advice is to move regularly to get promotions. I’ve been technically with the same organisation 10 years now but have been promoted 3 times within that otherwise I’d have moved on.

I agree, it is poor practice. And I also agree a really good candidate will be ready to move from their team and try their skills elsewhere.

Stop being so weird and nasty.

TF is your problem?

It never works because a truly competent employee (unless you're in a niche role/location) always has other options, and will end up leaving anyway.
Keep them, and they can train up their replacement.
Mothers are more likely to be treated like this because a job that fits childcare etc (of course fathers should do their share too but in the real world many don't!) is like gold dust. So they put up with a lot to keep it.
But even that becomes too much.

Why are you so attached to your team OP?

I left a team that I loved for better opportunities elsewhere (In the same org) and while the jump was scary at first it was the right thing to do. Never get comfy, because you'll face a massive shock when things change.

The other thing to note - is that management is a completely different skillset from 'doing the work'. Is the step up a leadership role?

Two things I’m getting from this OP:

It sounds like the promotion is too big a leap for managers to consider you as a suitable candidate - going to something that can command 3x your salary is a very, very big jump and few people would do it successfully in one leap. What are the stepping stones to get there, are there other promotions that would bridge the gap?

The feedback you’ve had is inadequate if they’re just saying “you did well”. I’d be talking to them to get some proper feedback and things you can work on - whether that’s to better position yourself for the next internal opportunity or to go elsewhere.

What does 'done well' mean?
What did others do better?

It's time to move on.

But if you stay, I really would advise that you book some time with the person who interviewed you to get a proper debrief - not just 'did well' - and come out with some areas to develop.

I'm not sure I'd take advice from Reddit that seriously but there is an element of truth to this ; you can stay in a job too long.

I will also say promoting someone in the team can create a headache because you then have to fill their role. If you have been there a long time and are very competent at what you do, I can see they may be tempted to keep you where you are and only have to recruit once. It's a bad strategy but it happens.

If you can find a suitable role elsewhere, apply for it. If nothing else you will get honest feedback as to whether you are skilled for the level you are going for.

I don't know your level or type of work, but in some organisations it is expected that if someone is repeatedly passed over for eg partnership, it is quietly expected that they will either take the hint and move on, or accept that they will stay at the level they are at. In your case I see no reason to hang on if you are missing opportunities elsewhere.

OP it might not be 'you'. Rather, the promotion process is based on roles opening up, not advancing individuals. And those 'roles' are being filled by other people who, for whatever reason, management wants in those roles.

The main issue here is as PP said they're not being honest with you about your chances. I'd look to move elsewhere

I'd look now.

DH colleagues at last place look at got much better pay offers and huge jumps to their careers - seem to shock the workplace.

First case female colleague they promoted a unqualified male with no experience in field after telling female colleague who'd been doing the job and had years of experience she needed more experienced. She never looked back more money and career progression with next employer.

Other a man made a project a success with very little support and the response was to give it to someone else who then expected that guy to still run it despite not having no time in employed day to do so. He looked massive pay jump and career progression in next job.

DH left not such a dramatics jump as his colleagues but career progression and more money and fewer headaches. I'd look see what's out there - try somewhere else see if you can progress there - some work places are bad at nurturing talent - and you can't know if it something you need to develop or workplace been short sighted that stopping your progression till you try somewhere else.

I would be applying for jobs elsewhere.

A lovely colleague of mine was just shat on from a great height regarding a promotion opportunity. She’s definitely better than the person appointed, but the organisation needs her to stay in her current role, propping up her shit alcoholic manager. I’m livid about it in her behalf and of course she is now looking elsewhere.

and i am sure you have

but fact is…. other applicants have been better

I understood it that they were rotated into the role and are on 3 times her salary - so might've been on that prior to their move as opposed to getting that increase as part of the role. 300% increase for a promotion would be very rare in any organisation particularly one with banding!

Op you’re not being used, you’re not doing them a favour being there, you work there,

however it doesn’t seem they are being entirely honest or open with you about your chances of promotion, having rhe skills is one thing, but how many folks are above you in the queue,,,