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Why do stories like this become all about the man?

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HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 11:02

This story of the paramedic who appeared on 999: On The Frontline who was found dead along side the body of a 22 year old mental health student nurse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clkygk383pdo.amp

Yet the majority of stories and tributes are about him and what a wonderful guy he supposedly was though it’s becoming evident that was not the case.

I’d say it’s because he’s appeared on TV but it feels like every time a story like this, and they occur with depressing regularity, happens the focus is almost always on the man and what a lovely special guy he was.

It’s as though women are merely emotional support humans for men.

Police cordon in Hednesford

No-one else sought over paramedic and nurse deaths in Hednesford - BBC News

Daniel Duffield, 24, and Lauren Evans, 22, were found at an address in Staffordshire earlier this week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clkygk383pdo.amp

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Onelifeonly · 29/06/2024 16:58

The bbc link you posted does not substantiate your assertion. There are more tributes about the woman than him. The police referred themselves as clearly one of the victims had contacted the police about the other recently, which could be DV or mental health related. Seems like it was the woman but we don't know for sure.

I have never seen many/ any tributes to someone convicted of murder; the likely assumption that will be made with this story will be that it was his doing.

Your focus seems somewhat left field!

doubledupp · 29/06/2024 16:55

I think the fact the police have referred themselves to their governing body suggests they’ve had recent contact with the couple, I expect it to come out there’s a history of DV.

Poor girl, 22 and had to live her short adult life in fear before being murdered by the person who is supposed to love and care for her.

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 16:51

I remember at least 3 cases in Ireland that the man was the perpetrator and he was "a lovely man" "pillar of the community" "wouldn't hurt a fly" One of these men had murdered his 3 children and his wife. Makes me sick

Yes. Clodagh Hawe and her murdered children have been on my mind all day as a classic example of this and the horror of her murderer being buried next to his victims.

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popcornbit · 29/06/2024 16:50

OkPedro · 29/06/2024 16:41

I remember at least 3 cases in Ireland that the man was the perpetrator and he was "a lovely man" "pillar of the community" "wouldn't hurt a fly" One of these men had murdered his 3 children and his wife. Makes me sick

I think a lot of it is for shock value. The media made a lot about how Lucy Letby was as gentle as a sheep, an angel, etc.

Just do a quick Google search – most headlines about mothers who kill (or even torture!) their kids / family use the words "overwhelmed", "erupted from the stress/tension" etc. Then you have lots of testimonies about how lovely and responsible and wonderful and all they are, and sometimes a whole bit about their traumatic upbringing.

I totally 100% believe in gender bias, but not in this case. I strongly believe female murderers are more kindly regarded and sympathised with in mainstream media (and even on Mumsnet) than male murderers. Especially white middle-class ones but also ones outside this demographic (eg I read a UK article earlier this week about a black foreigner murderer mum, quoting her about how she only killed her kids because she loved them so much)

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 16:46

Oh and while I’m on a rant can I mention how much I detest the media mining social media for “Happy family” pics of the victim(s) together with their murderer. It seems like an extra insult to continue to picture them together after their death(s).

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OkPedro · 29/06/2024 16:41

I remember at least 3 cases in Ireland that the man was the perpetrator and he was "a lovely man" "pillar of the community" "wouldn't hurt a fly" One of these men had murdered his 3 children and his wife. Makes me sick

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 16:39

I do agree about true crime btw. I also find it troubling that the focus is so often on the killer and yes there are some attempts to change that but it’s still a real problem.

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HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 16:38

I honestly find it strange that people find it easier to believe that it was CO poisoning, a suicide pact, drugs overdose or any of the more outlandish theories that I’ve seen than the possibility that yet again a man has killed his partner/ex partner which happens approximately every 5 days

refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/

Yes it’s always wise to leave a little room for doubt and unusual events do occur but I find it fascinating that even when police have said that they’ve launched a murder investigation and that they aren’t looking for anyone and that they’ve been referred to the IOPC due to previous contact and that it follows an all too typical pattern that it’s still easier to believe these possibilities than that another man has killed his female partner.

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popcornbit · 29/06/2024 16:34

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 16:30

I posted the article as it was the latest version of the story not as a specific example of this though the BBC’s first version was certainly more Daniel centric. It’s a general phenomenon though that I and others have noticed, one which is discussed in the article I linked to earlier though Ryan and Luke Hart’s book covers it in more depth.

I’ll link to it again.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/17/we-didnt-recognise-that-he-was-dangerous-our-father-killed-our-mother-and-sister

I'm open to your theory, but IMO it's more that articles tend to fixate on killers (and their morbid motives), and killers tend to be men.

Even when mothers have killed their children (quite frequent in fact), or women have killed other women, or women have killed children (eg Lucy Letby), I've noticed the articles barely gloss over their victims, and mostly focus on the killer women and dissecting their lives. This is especially so if the killer woman is white and middle-class.

In recent years, within mainstream media, there's been a movement to not give killers attention (e.g. by using victims' photos instead of killer's photos in headline articles). But this has been accompanied by the rise of True Crime where people love hearing about murderers' personality, lives, upbringing, motives, etc.

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 16:30

I posted the article as it was the latest version of the story not as a specific example of this though the BBC’s first version was certainly more Daniel centric. It’s a general phenomenon though that I and others have noticed, one which is discussed in the article I linked to earlier though Ryan and Luke Hart’s book covers it in more depth.

I’ll link to it again.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/17/we-didnt-recognise-that-he-was-dangerous-our-father-killed-our-mother-and-sister

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Youdontevengohere · 29/06/2024 16:27

ladycarlotta · 29/06/2024 15:28

This! I'm confused if they've revised it or something because it really doesn't reflect what the OP is saying. And I do think there's a problem with this kind of representation of men who murder their significant others, but this article is a poor example.

In the initial article, there were many tributes to the man involved and just one regarding the women, which simple said ‘she was no trouble’. The article has since been revised.

Youdontevengohere · 29/06/2024 16:24

Scarletttulips · 29/06/2024 15:56

Why would you assume a gas leak? There doesn't seem to any information released on how they died.

Which is the point I was making.

No information apart from the fact that the police said it’s a murder investigation, I guess.

focacciamuffin · 29/06/2024 15:59

Scarletttulips · 29/06/2024 15:56

Why would you assume a gas leak? There doesn't seem to any information released on how they died.

Which is the point I was making.

You have lost me. Unless they were found in a smoking ruin a gas leak seems to be an odd thing to assume

Scarletttulips · 29/06/2024 15:56

Why would you assume a gas leak? There doesn't seem to any information released on how they died.

Which is the point I was making.

focacciamuffin · 29/06/2024 15:51

Scarletttulips · 29/06/2024 11:11

She had 5 tributes, he had 3.

These are people in shock at younger people being found dead.

No further information was given.

I would assume a gas leak - rather than murder. I’m sure after the initial reaction once the truth is told, then there’ll be a further update.

I think originally we needed to understand motivation of why this went wrong, and how to support people feeling the right way.

Why would you assume a gas leak? There doesn't seem to any information released on how they died.

StMarieforme · 29/06/2024 15:37

Again, all this speculation is painful for the families and could possibly hinder any future legal proceedings.

However, they initially said a murder investigation, but did not repeat that when they updated with not looking for anyone else.

So let's just wait, shall we?

ladycarlotta · 29/06/2024 15:28

popcornbit · 29/06/2024 14:54

The article you shared is literally half and half (if anything her bit is longer) and mentions her first.

Can you share better examples so we can see if you even have a point, or are just trying to turn this poor woman's death into something else to make your point?

This! I'm confused if they've revised it or something because it really doesn't reflect what the OP is saying. And I do think there's a problem with this kind of representation of men who murder their significant others, but this article is a poor example.

DezTheMoaner · 29/06/2024 15:13

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 14:48

I don’t know the exact circumstances here but in my friend’s case the Police had to report themselves to the IOPC because she had previously contacted them about incidents of domestic violence before she was murdered by her ex.

That's what I understood from the article.

Waitingfordoggo · 29/06/2024 14:55

Thanks for explaining @HoldingTheDoor, makes a bit more sense now.

popcornbit · 29/06/2024 14:54

The article you shared is literally half and half (if anything her bit is longer) and mentions her first.

Can you share better examples so we can see if you even have a point, or are just trying to turn this poor woman's death into something else to make your point?

ElaineMBenes · 29/06/2024 14:51

I agree with you OP.
It makes me so angry.

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 14:48

I don’t know the exact circumstances here but in my friend’s case the Police had to report themselves to the IOPC because she had previously contacted them about incidents of domestic violence before she was murdered by her ex.

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Waitingfordoggo · 29/06/2024 14:45

Police have referred themselves to the IOPC because of previous police contact with the deceased.

I’m trying to work out what this might mean. Are they talking about contact In a professional capacity- paramedic and police? Or something else? And why would the police need to refer themselves to IOPC? Sorry if I’m being dense, just trying to make sense of it.

Youdontevengohere · 29/06/2024 14:40

crockofshite · 29/06/2024 14:22

But there are two dead people. Did they murder each other? Murder/suicide?

How does it usually pan out in these cases?
The articles also make numerous references to his previous mental health issues, the fact that he wrote a ‘disturbing’ letter before the incident…

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 14:24

But there are two dead people. Did they murder each other? Murder/suicide?

It’s following the textbook script of the latter.

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