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Why do stories like this become all about the man?

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HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 11:02

This story of the paramedic who appeared on 999: On The Frontline who was found dead along side the body of a 22 year old mental health student nurse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clkygk383pdo.amp

Yet the majority of stories and tributes are about him and what a wonderful guy he supposedly was though it’s becoming evident that was not the case.

I’d say it’s because he’s appeared on TV but it feels like every time a story like this, and they occur with depressing regularity, happens the focus is almost always on the man and what a lovely special guy he was.

It’s as though women are merely emotional support humans for men.

Police cordon in Hednesford

No-one else sought over paramedic and nurse deaths in Hednesford - BBC News

Daniel Duffield, 24, and Lauren Evans, 22, were found at an address in Staffordshire earlier this week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clkygk383pdo.amp

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Waitingfordoggo · 08/07/2024 20:28

Oh no 😔 I was desperately hoping it wasn’t going to be another one of those stories but of course it is.

Biffbaff · 08/07/2024 20:21

Poor Lauren. She sounded lovely.

Youdontevengohere · 08/07/2024 20:17

Very very sad.

HoldingTheDoor · 08/07/2024 19:14

Well as was obvious from the start, Lauren Evans death is being treated as murder.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3g60zknldno

R.I.P. Lauren. 22 years old and her life taken from her by another violent and abusive man. He had a choice. She had none.

Lauren Evans

Lauren Evans: Murdered student nurse was adored, says family

Lauren Evans, found next to the body of paramedic Daniel Duffield, was a "sweet, soft natured girl".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3g60zknldno

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TobaccoFlower · 30/06/2024 13:19

Youdontevengohere · 30/06/2024 13:13

Of course we do

Do you think so? That article is shocking if so, talking about his family taking comfort etc. I did wonder if he was leaving her as he was getting close to the crewmate. It's far more common for the man to be the killer, but there is the odd exception. Including one that was recently in the news. Fiona Beal

Youdontevengohere · 30/06/2024 13:13

TobaccoFlower · 30/06/2024 12:32

I guess we don't know which was the killer yet

Of course we do

TobaccoFlower · 30/06/2024 12:38

Richard Barratt, a senior operations manager at the West Midlands Ambulance Service, also paid tribute to Mr Duffield and added: "I hope Daniel's family can take some comfort from the hundreds of patients he helped through his time as a paramedic."
Surely they wouldn't include this if the man was the killer with no tribute to the woman? I hope not anyway.

TobaccoFlower · 30/06/2024 12:32

I guess we don't know which was the killer yet

TobaccoFlower · 30/06/2024 12:31

This article is all about how great the man is but no mention of the woman.
news.sky.com/story/police-not-looking-for-anyone-else-after-deaths-of-paramedic-and-woman-13160486

TobaccoFlower · 30/06/2024 11:35

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 12:42

I’ve noticed this too that they always make it about the man. Always about his stresses etc. hardly ever mention the stress that the woman may have been under before she was murdered.

Exactly this.

The excellent book by Ryan and Luke Hart whose Mother and Sister were murdered by their Father discusses how offensive and hurtful all the praise in the media for and focus on their Father was to them and how it perpetuates stereotypes about domestic abuse and yet it continues.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/17/we-didnt-recognise-that-he-was-dangerous-our-father-killed-our-mother-and-sister

That's a really good article. It's also a good point that prior to killing them he looked up articles about other men who've killed family members and they wondered if the killer in Cavan, Ireland had seen articles describing their dad as a lovely man etc. It's shocking that one of the papers described the killing as understandable and a twisted act of love.

Biffbaff · 30/06/2024 00:23

I saw the BBC article about what a great guy the paramedic was and I also thought it was weird given that this looks like a murder suicide, most likely at his hands. Completely bizarre reporting.

Riversideandrelax · 29/06/2024 19:08

popcornbit · 29/06/2024 19:00

Incorrect.

Men usually commit more violent crime as a whole, but filicide is an exception as a form of violence committed by women in relatively equal numbers to men. Neonatal filicide (killing babies) is almost exclusively committed by women.

It is true that domestic abuse is often present, but the precipitating factors are often mental illness/suicidality/depression, financial stress, previous abuse (by mother towards child), overwhelm eg due to child crying), and so on.

According to most research, altruistic motives only form 1 group of cases, and even then this is often to protect the child from having to face life or the world alone, not necessarily re abusive father at all.

Interestingly, fathers are far more likely to commit suicide after killing their children, whereas mothers aren't.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2002/03/when-parents-kill.html Good read but also, there are much more neutral academic studies which all point to the same facts above (contrary to what you stated as a "fact").

I disagree

popcornbit · 29/06/2024 19:00

Riversideandrelax · 29/06/2024 18:47

Not an assumption, just a fact. I studied it at university.

Incorrect.

Men usually commit more violent crime as a whole, but filicide is an exception as a form of violence committed by women in relatively equal numbers to men. Neonatal filicide (killing babies) is almost exclusively committed by women.

It is true that domestic abuse is often present, but the precipitating factors are often mental illness/suicidality/depression, financial stress, previous abuse (by mother towards child), overwhelm eg due to child crying), and so on.

According to most research, altruistic motives only form 1 group of cases, and even then this is often to protect the child from having to face life or the world alone, not necessarily re abusive father at all.

Interestingly, fathers are far more likely to commit suicide after killing their children, whereas mothers aren't.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2002/03/when-parents-kill.html Good read but also, there are much more neutral academic studies which all point to the same facts above (contrary to what you stated as a "fact").

When parents kill.

Women do not, by and large, make terrific criminals. In the United States, women commit only two crimes as frequently as men. The first is...

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2002/03/when-parents-kill.html

Riversideandrelax · 29/06/2024 18:47

popcornbit · 29/06/2024 18:07

Prime example of what I meant re the assumption that the woman is automatically right.

Fyi this woman had been physically abusing her husband too.

Anytime there's a woman abuser or murderer, even when the sadistic psychopathic facts are very clear and the male is the victim, there are ALWAYS lots of people jumping to their defense blindly.

Yes there are cases with extenuating circumstances... But on an individual human nature basis, plenty of women are as evil or selfish as men IMHO. Women just don't have the physical strength and societal privilege/entitlement men do, and so are often much better behaved. (Not that I believe the majority of humanity is bad btw)

Not an assumption, just a fact. I studied it at university.

popcornbit · 29/06/2024 18:07

Riversideandrelax · 29/06/2024 17:55

Mothers usually kill their DC because they can't bare to leave them with their abusive fathers when they commit suicide.

Prime example of what I meant re the assumption that the woman is automatically right.

Fyi this woman had been physically abusing her husband too.

Anytime there's a woman abuser or murderer, even when the sadistic psychopathic facts are very clear and the male is the victim, there are ALWAYS lots of people jumping to their defense blindly.

Yes there are cases with extenuating circumstances... But on an individual human nature basis, plenty of women are as evil or selfish as men IMHO. Women just don't have the physical strength and societal privilege/entitlement men do, and so are often much better behaved. (Not that I believe the majority of humanity is bad btw)

Riversideandrelax · 29/06/2024 17:55

popcornbit · 29/06/2024 16:50

I think a lot of it is for shock value. The media made a lot about how Lucy Letby was as gentle as a sheep, an angel, etc.

Just do a quick Google search – most headlines about mothers who kill (or even torture!) their kids / family use the words "overwhelmed", "erupted from the stress/tension" etc. Then you have lots of testimonies about how lovely and responsible and wonderful and all they are, and sometimes a whole bit about their traumatic upbringing.

I totally 100% believe in gender bias, but not in this case. I strongly believe female murderers are more kindly regarded and sympathised with in mainstream media (and even on Mumsnet) than male murderers. Especially white middle-class ones but also ones outside this demographic (eg I read a UK article earlier this week about a black foreigner murderer mum, quoting her about how she only killed her kids because she loved them so much)

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Mothers usually kill their DC because they can't bare to leave them with their abusive fathers when they commit suicide.

Topofthemountain · 29/06/2024 17:47

Thank you for sharing the news article about Clodagh, It was a sobering read.

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 17:21

I'm sure if she had been on Googlebox or Bake Off then she would have got more column inches.

That doesn’t help of course but I’ve seen similar remarks many times in similar circumstances even when neither of the deceased had featured in the media.

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HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 17:19

I'm not that familiar with this tragic story. Presuming they were both found dead, and then they're saying a separate individual is on the loose who murdered them?
Or If not then I would assume one killed the other then themselves. It doesn't seem clear, or has it been explained?

They’ve launched a murder investigation and they have said aren’t looking for anyone else so no one else was involved and men are far more likely to murder their female partner than to be murdered by them. Now two police forces have referred themselves to the IOPC over previous contact with the deceased so it’s looking like an all too typical story of murder-suicide.

There is other evidence too but I’ll stick with what the police have said officially.

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Charlize43 · 29/06/2024 17:18

I think it's because he appeared on TV Channel 4 series 999: On the Frontline - hence given minor celebrity status.

I'm sure if she had been on Googlebox or Bake Off then she would have got more column inches.

This strange obsession with celebrity. I saw it reported elsewhere, which seemed to focus heavily that he'd been on TV.

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 17:14

Again I posted the article as it was the latest version of the story not as a specific example of this because it’s a general phenomenon though the BBC’s first version was certainly more focused on the male . Here it is. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cye0nkdnp62o.amp

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BobbyBiscuits · 29/06/2024 17:12

I'm not that familiar with this tragic story. Presuming they were both found dead, and then they're saying a separate individual is on the loose who murdered them?
Or If not then I would assume one killed the other then themselves. It doesn't seem clear, or has it been explained?

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Topofthemountain · 29/06/2024 17:08

The other day the news reports were all about him, and absolutely nothing about Lauren.

I had a sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach and tried to convince myself that I was perhaps being unfair. I don't think I was.

PuneorPlayonWords · 29/06/2024 17:05

HoldingTheDoor · 29/06/2024 16:51

I remember at least 3 cases in Ireland that the man was the perpetrator and he was "a lovely man" "pillar of the community" "wouldn't hurt a fly" One of these men had murdered his 3 children and his wife. Makes me sick

Yes. Clodagh Hawe and her murdered children have been on my mind all day as a classic example of this and the horror of her murderer being buried next to his victims.

Yes, this horrible crime lead to the "her name is Clodagh" campaign recognising this awful phenomenon.

*edited because I don't know why I didn't use the proper word - it was a crime, not an event.

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