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isitme852 · 28/06/2024 15:09

going anon for this...

Whenever myself and DP have a disagreement he cannot apologise for things he has said; he declares "by apologising you are saying my feelings aren't valid and its always about how you feel"

Two examples.. But I have more...

Yesterday morning he briefly mentioned about giving his DS (17) (not my son) a key to the house we live in. It is my house; my mortgage - DP has lived here with his son for 5ish years. I had said I didn't know how I felt about it and could we maybe talk about it later. My DD was eating breakfast and DP was walking out of the door for work. I wanted to talk about it later as his DS has not had the best track record of behaviour and also is a little immature. It was my intention to suggest "yes he can have a key - but there needs to be ground rules about who comes back here and when" etc etc. This turned into a bit of a discussion - culminating in DP saying "I don't feel like this is DS home"
For context; his ex kicked DS out at 12; DP picked him up and asked if he could stay here that night and he has never left. I have moved everyone's rooms around to accommodate his DS; gave up my children's playroom and my office so he could have his own room. I have clothed and fed him when DP couldn't work or hasn't had money. I have taken him on multiple holidays including abroad.. he never even had a passport before he moved in with us. I never leave him out; if I buy for my two I buy for him... whether it be sweets or a day out.
His DS has behaviour problems; he has smashed up his room; hit me; destroyed things in my house; he doesn't like to be told what to do - such as coming in at a set time; tidyig his room etc. And yet I am still here.. supporting him.
For him to say "I don't feel like this is his home" has really hurt me. I have done more for him than his own family and grandparents.
He has said all day today that he doesn't feel he is wrong for saying it; despite it being hurtful; because that's how he feels and he is entitled to an opinion and feelings.

Three weeks ago; DP raised that he feels I am not intimate enough with him. Again turned into an argument. I tried to explain - I have endometriosis; which is so severe even the University Hospital surgeons won't do a Hysterectomy - I am waiting for a review from a surgeon 3 hours from where I live. The endo leaves me in horrendous pain most of the month; which worsens after being intimate (he knows all of this and has been to the appointments). Of course I am hesitant... it hurts!! When I explained this.. he said "hugging you is like hugging a corpse.. I get nothing back"
I was devastated at this... I am trying my best. I work full time; we have 3 children between us that I do 100% of caring for.. my two DC are both Autistic so they require a lot of attention.. my DD10 doesn't sleep well so I am up most nights. I literally sobbed; tried to explain why I was so hurt. I told him I was embarrassed that I can't be intimate more but it hurts and makes me uncomfortable. He dismissed it with "it's how I feel.. by saying I shouldn't say things like that you are saying I shouldn't say how I feel"

AIBU to say that if your feelings are going to insult or hurt someone you should maybe think twice about saying them... or am I being dismissive of him

YABU - he can say what he wants - regardless of the impact
YANBU - he can not say what he wants and should be more considerate.

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allydoobs83 · 16/11/2024 21:44

Have you ever considered putting his balls in a vice and asking him how horny he feels then......??!

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 16/11/2024 21:40

He is entitled to opinions and feelings... but you are entitled not to want to live with them.

Would you want to do anything to him that gave you great pleasure while causing him great pain?

Time for that row of ducks?

SALaw · 10/11/2024 10:37

What are the upsides to this relationship?

Sceptical123 · 10/11/2024 10:23

isitme852 · 30/06/2024 01:41

I am still here. And I am still reading responses. I just need to be careful because DP is around.

I know this is an old post but I hope OP got rid of this awful leeching man and is ok. It sounded like she was scared of him

ItsNotYou852 · 01/07/2024 20:33

isitme852 · 28/06/2024 17:11

Yes.

I know others on here will not understand. But yes. I have tried to end this. And it doesn't work. He doesn't listen. Carries on like nothing has happened and I haven't said a single word about it.

We are going to the cinema this evening with my DD and DD Friend. It will like nothing has happened today/yesterday.

I do understand OP, I'm in a similar situation. When the other person just refuses to acknowledge that you have spoken it leaves you frustrated and feeling like you are going crazy..
But you know in your heart that at some point you have to set yourself free. When you tell him that you want him gone be ready for his manipulation and trying to throw it back on you. Maybe practise the wording and simply refuse to get into a discussion, just repeat that you want him out of your life and your house.
I'm guessing that you don't have a strong friend ready to be there with you?
Possibly you could visit a solicitor, or CAB beforehand to be sure of your legal position. Having something in writing could help you feel stronger and more able to resist his twisting of your words.
Wish I had more practical advice to give you, but if I knew how to get out of a relationship like this I wouldn't also be stuck!
You have been given some good advice by women who have been through it, please do think long and hard about your way forward. Know what you want and believe you can do it xx

changedwwyd · 01/07/2024 01:51

WmFnKdSg1234 · 29/06/2024 22:00

You need to involve the police. He doesn't get to live in your house and continue a relationship with you if that is not what you want 🤷

Why have you let this situation continue?

Seriously, get him out. You can end a relationship for any or no reason.

OP, please speak to Women's Aid and the Police today to help you get them out.
Just get out the house to a quiet place (so this man does not overhear) and call Women's Aid and then see the Police.

You do NOT have to live like this. You owe this man and his son NOTHING. You have paid for everything, been hit and abused and your 2 DCs have also suffered- removing their playroom to accommodate the son, the DCs having to live in such a miserable atmosphere.
Think of your DCs and think of your self.

What has this man brought to your life but misery? I cannot see one example of where he has contributed or paid you back for supporting him and his son. Where is the son's mother in all this? She can take him back.

Call Women's Aid for advice on how to get him out.

I wish I was in England, I would offer to come to your house and help to chuck his stuff out and change the locks!

On a serious note, well done for making this decision to bin him, make it THIS TIME that you follow through. Call Women's Aid and the police to assist you to make this happen.

Littlejellyuk · 30/06/2024 18:52

Pelsall116 · 30/06/2024 06:57

He is gaslighting you and is always going to come back at you trying to turn it back on you when you try to end the relationship. Face it, you are a handy meal ticket for him and his DS and he is hardly giving that up voluntarily. You need to take control, tell him enough is enough, the relationship usn’t working out and they have a week to find alternative living arrangements. And if they haven’t by then stick their bags on the doorstep and change the locks

Meal ticket. perfectly said. Get rid asap. When will you finally act then hun? So what would it take? For his DS to hit your daughter instead of hitting you? Get rid. Pack his crap. Dump it on the front garden and change the locks.

ilovemoney · 30/06/2024 18:51

Hi op, you are right its time now for big changes. I have two disabled young girls but my eh is really supportive and hands on both practically and financially. I cannot imagine what life is like for you and your girls with these two abusive males. Luckily you own the house completely so from a practical point of view this is straightforward but I imagine you are very scared and I think you need sœur real life support to make them leave safely. I personally think that due to the fact there are disabled children and violence is involved I think it is a police matter and you should ask then for help and advice.

pollymere · 30/06/2024 18:42

Explain that you need to sit down with him and share how you feel. That you don't feel your opinions and feelings count for anything either.

Write a list of things you want to talk about. If he interrupts at any point just remind him that he needs to listen to them fully first.

He needs to remember that we learn together. Simba being hit over the head hurt, that's why he learnt to move out of the way. We change our behaviours and grow as people. He is entitled to his opinions and feelings but you're entitled to disagree. And your feelings/opinions are equally valid. In the case of your house he has a 20% say and you have an 80% say. He may wish for his DS to have a key but the final decision is yours.

When I choose what to wear to an event, my DH has an opinion (which I value because he has a great eye) but the decision is ultimately mine (even if he's usually right, dammit!).

Your reply needs to be that you will listen to his arguments but the decision is ultimately yours and he needs to RESPECT that.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 30/06/2024 14:08

Making comments like "hugging you is like hugging a corpse.. I get nothing back" whilst pestering OP for sex, having sat in on Doctor's appointment and hearing how painful it is for her -
is one of the most hurtful and cruel comments made by someone to their partner that I've read on MN.
Abusive.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 30/06/2024 12:16

Several people are saying to think of the Op's daughter - the Op has 2 children:
' my two DC are both Autistic '
yes she has said re one - her dd is 10, hasn't given detail of her other child who may or may not be younger than 10.

Whothefuckdoesthat · 30/06/2024 11:23

isitme852 · 30/06/2024 01:41

I am still here. And I am still reading responses. I just need to be careful because DP is around.

Stop calling him DP. You don’t want to be in a relationship with this man and you need to cement it in your head that this man is not your partner, dear/darling or otherwise.

You don’t have to say it out loud, if you’re not ready. But in your head, and on here, he’s your ex and it’s safe to say it.

And please contact Women’s Aid. Your life isn’t your own. You need help getting it back.

GotThisTshirtx2 · 30/06/2024 09:20

Are you still reading op?
Speak to women's aid and the ring the police. My own son had become my oppresser in my house where I paid for everything and he gamed 24/7. He shouted and screamed at people online, screamed at me that there was no food (there was), he was intimidating, threatening, made MORE mess when I asked him to be tidy, screamed louder when I said your sister is studying.

I got him out of the house with the help of the police. I have no regrets. I wish things had been different but I cannot be subjected to this crap again. I left his father 18 years ago.

If my son is an angry man who hates me for not being the doormat he wants me to be, well, it's not what I dreamt of when I held him in my arms when he was a baby, but I'm not enduring a total lack of respect AGAIN.

If he hates me, that's sad, but letting him live with me screaming at me didn't make him respect me, so either way, he hated me at least this way, I have peace.

Call the police. Do. They will help you. It's your decision to end this relationship and get your home back for you and yr daughter.

pomers · 30/06/2024 08:47

It’s been said here and your other thread; get some legal advice and speak to Women’s aid. You are not in a relationship, you are being milked for money and a place to live the gaslighted when you object. Don’t even engage with his comments. I realise it’s hard because you are exhausted and unwell but you will be less unwell once this stress behind you.

canyouseemyhousefromhere · 30/06/2024 08:15

Iaskedyouthrice · 30/06/2024 07:59

I think you need to stop thinking of you, your dp and dss and start thinking about your daughter. She has been at the bottom of the pile for long enough. You need to start putting her first because it isn't fair what you have exposed her to.
I am not buying the feeble 'he won't leave' nonsense. You just don't like confrontation, so accept it when he ignores what you are saying. Think of your daughter and the shit she's had to witness and find enough strength to repeat that you want him and his son out.
I've said it before on here but there is a type of woman who will place a new partner and his child/ren above her own in a desperate attempt to show him how nice she is. Stop being one of those women.

This! ⬆️

Iaskedyouthrice · 30/06/2024 07:59

I think you need to stop thinking of you, your dp and dss and start thinking about your daughter. She has been at the bottom of the pile for long enough. You need to start putting her first because it isn't fair what you have exposed her to.
I am not buying the feeble 'he won't leave' nonsense. You just don't like confrontation, so accept it when he ignores what you are saying. Think of your daughter and the shit she's had to witness and find enough strength to repeat that you want him and his son out.
I've said it before on here but there is a type of woman who will place a new partner and his child/ren above her own in a desperate attempt to show him how nice she is. Stop being one of those women.

Pelsall116 · 30/06/2024 06:57

He is gaslighting you and is always going to come back at you trying to turn it back on you when you try to end the relationship. Face it, you are a handy meal ticket for him and his DS and he is hardly giving that up voluntarily. You need to take control, tell him enough is enough, the relationship usn’t working out and they have a week to find alternative living arrangements. And if they haven’t by then stick their bags on the doorstep and change the locks

InWalksBarberalla · 30/06/2024 03:44

Is there someone you can get to come over when you tell him he needs to move him and his son out?

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 30/06/2024 02:58

You need to get out. There are charities you can call or even the police.

Ring them and tell them about the incident with his son.
You don't have to press charges but explain you don't feel safe and want them both out.
Change locks when they're out and have the police waiting when they get back.
Good luck OP. You deserve better.

isitme852 · 30/06/2024 01:41

PaminaMozart · 30/06/2024 01:06

Sigh.
It seems the OP has posted about this cocklodger and his entitled and violent son before. And no doubt got similar advice...

We are now on page 11 and she hasn't responded for quite a while.

How can we help you free yourself, @isitme852 ?

I am still here. And I am still reading responses. I just need to be careful because DP is around.

OP posts:
PaminaMozart · 30/06/2024 01:06

Sigh.
It seems the OP has posted about this cocklodger and his entitled and violent son before. And no doubt got similar advice...

We are now on page 11 and she hasn't responded for quite a while.

How can we help you free yourself, @isitme852 ?

Atethehalloweenchocs · 30/06/2024 00:08

I have many times; and when ever I broach the subject with him he will say something along the lines of "what because I am not entitled to feelings and opinions"

There are ways and ways though arent there?

Saying, I am sad that your health problems make intimacy not as frequent as I would like, but I understand how hard it is for you and I feel really bad for you would still express his feelings but would be a lot less critical and unkind.

So I guess the answer here is - you are fully entitled to your feelings and opinions. You are entitled to express how you feel However, you are not entitled to be unkind, rude or unkind, and to dismiss or deny my feelings. And this is why it is over.

Washingupdone · 29/06/2024 23:52

Maybe you should seek legal advice because they have been living in your home for the last four years. The question is, you are making them homeless do you legally owe them anything?

I have heard of some men claiming money even although they paid nothing towards the mortgage.

Normallynumb · 29/06/2024 23:21

He and his DS have no right to be in your property if you do not want them there
It goes without saying that they have both taken advantage of your kind nature and abused you.
Tell him the relationship is over( have someone there if you think he will kick off) and you want them both to leave
The easiest way is to change locks when they're out really
If he refuses to leave call 101 and ask for the police to escort him out, which they will do
( they escorted mine to the next county!)

DeadlyKnightshade · 29/06/2024 22:46

Maddy70 · 28/06/2024 15:43

You lost me at not giving a 17 year old a key to his home....

Have you RTFT? Her DP's son hits her and trashes his room.

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