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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 13:59

We went on an adult only trip to to celebrate a big birthday of a friend. It was a large group and we were divided into different holiday homes. We were sharing with one couple who are mutual friends of ours and one couple who we'd met a few times before but are not friends of ours.

Before we went this couple suggested we all put a bit of money in and they'd get some basic ingredients for breakfast/snacks for the holiday home. We agreed as did the friends of ours.

When we arrived they showed us what they'd bought. It was lots of 'basics' type things like cheap white bread, biscuits, crisps, squash, margarine, baked beans, instant coffee, sugary cereal, lots of sausages and bacon (I'm vegetarian.) This is not the type of food I normally eat but after a moment just thought I obviously had different expectations but as nothing was specified I'll have to put it down to experience. So we didn't say anything negative about the food - just got on with it.

We'd all brought some alcohol with us. Myself and the friends of ours said to everybody else 'please help yourself.' We'd brought a bottle of champagne, some wine and beers. Our friends had bought similar. The other couple bought a bottle of spirits. I realise now they'd not suggested that it was to be shared. I'd also brought some nice nibbles to share - crisps, olives, bread sticks.

On the first proper night (had arrived late on the first day) we were all sat in the lounge having some drinks and the nibbles I'd brought. I'd opened one of our bottles of wine and myself and the 2 other women were drinking that. The men all had some of the spirit. Anyway the evening went on and the men were a bit drunk. The man who brought the bottle of spirits started a physical fight with my DP because he'd helped himself to the spirit. It all came out. About how they'd offered us a cup of tea but we'd not reciprocated - we didn't ever have a tea as we don't like the cheap tea bags. We should have made them breakfast to thank them for getting the shopping.

I realised the whole thing about us paying for this shopping was essentially because they couldn't bare to share anything.

My DP didn't retaliate but left the holiday home to go for a walk to let things calm down. When he got back we packed our things and left.

I think the moral is not to go on holiday with people you don't know well. We are the type of people that share everything. They'd been counting every time my partner had some of their alcohol. They also eat very differently to us, which is fine, I'd just not realised. But perhaps they should have checked as they wanted to do it this way.

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:31

Cantileveredy · 28/06/2024 21:22

I think you can like different food, but then it was your error to agree to let them buy and share food.
Their food sounds fine to me.
But i wouldnt be happy if it looked like they pocketed extra money.
Even as vegipgie you aphad choice of
Toast
Beans
Cereal
Eggs

Yes, we didn't think it through properly.

The eggs were from caged hens. I wouldn't have liked the super cheap toast or beans. And I don't like sugary cereal. So I suppose some people may think I'm quite fussy. So yes, it was a mistake to expect them to get things I'd like when I didn't know what they thought was a nice breakfast.

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:27

Missmarple87 · 28/06/2024 21:22

OP stop justifying yourself - you are correct.

I have unfortunately learned that there are people who think it's appropriate to, for example, bring a bottle to your house and expect to sit and drink only that. They just don't realise that this is the height of poor manners and not the reverse. If you are coming to someone's house, you bring a gift for the host and then drink what you are served (unless you're a 16 year old at a house party). Even if you would have preferred to drink/consume your gift, you accept that as a 'sunk cost' of attending a social event which someone else has kindly hosted for you. In a communal situation, the correct etiquette is that everything is communal. This is not in question unless you have no manners.

Why are on earth are you going on holiday with the type of people who start physical fights?!

Ok!

And we didn't realise the man was like that!!

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:25

FTPM1980 · 28/06/2024 21:15

Oh no I agree...I just found it odd you (OH) would take wine and beer and then drink vodka...seems strange leep.

If you don't drink it often perhaps taking too much.

I think you were just very different with very different expectations and although I think I would be somewhere in the middle I lean toward your approach.

Oh, I see what you mean! Well, I really wish he had stuck to the beers!

Yes, I agree. Their way is fine (minus the violence of course!) - we just didn't realise!

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Cantileveredy · 28/06/2024 21:22

I think you can like different food, but then it was your error to agree to let them buy and share food.
Their food sounds fine to me.
But i wouldnt be happy if it looked like they pocketed extra money.
Even as vegipgie you aphad choice of
Toast
Beans
Cereal
Eggs

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:22

WitchyBits · 28/06/2024 20:56

Regularly get together as friends both at home and on holiday and what we bring is fair game unless it's very specifically mentioned. I do think this is a failure to communicate clearly but that doesn't mean violence is ever ok!

Same as us then.

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Missmarple87 · 28/06/2024 21:22

OP stop justifying yourself - you are correct.

I have unfortunately learned that there are people who think it's appropriate to, for example, bring a bottle to your house and expect to sit and drink only that. They just don't realise that this is the height of poor manners and not the reverse. If you are coming to someone's house, you bring a gift for the host and then drink what you are served (unless you're a 16 year old at a house party). Even if you would have preferred to drink/consume your gift, you accept that as a 'sunk cost' of attending a social event which someone else has kindly hosted for you. In a communal situation, the correct etiquette is that everything is communal. This is not in question unless you have no manners.

Why are on earth are you going on holiday with the type of people who start physical fights?!

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:19

marmiteoneverything · 28/06/2024 20:30

Burst into tears? It was bog standard bacon, sausages, baked beans and toast, not a baby unicorn!

It wasn't bog standard. It was super cheap stuff. Not what you expect to eat at a nice celebratory weekend away.

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:17

NotSoHotMess24 · 28/06/2024 20:29

YANBU. If you like someone enough to go on holiday with them (even people you don't know that well), the social norm is that you like them enough to share with them and the group. Surely even toddlers know that?? Even from a purely practical note, it's impossible to make everything completely "fair", eg) everyone having exactly a 6th of the resources, in this case. The obvious exception being if one person is visibly contributing nothing at all and are just freeloading. But in what you are describing, you are not unreasonable at all - they are definitely the ones acting in an extremely odd and unpleasant way. You would have thought if they felt that strongly, they would have stayed somewhere just the two of them? Where they could keep their precious vodka and margarine safely under lock and key 😂

Initially I thought it was quite nice of them to offer to do the breakfast shop. But what I realised afterwards was it was their way to try and control them not having to share anything and reduce their costs. Selfish, basically.

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FTPM1980 · 28/06/2024 21:15

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:09

I think DP and our friend were just trying to join in with this guy. Trying to be inclusive, I guess.

I guess we are different to you. If someone asked we'd laugh and say no need to ask - help yourself!

And I don't think us bringing a bottle of wine, a bottle of champagne and some beers to share over a weekend is alcoholic territory to be honest.

Oh no I agree...I just found it odd you (OH) would take wine and beer and then drink vodka...seems strange leep.

If you don't drink it often perhaps taking too much.

I think you were just very different with very different expectations and although I think I would be somewhere in the middle I lean toward your approach.

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:14

Screamingabdabz · 28/06/2024 20:16

Please don’t listen to the people calling you snobby or superior op. I live in a working class deprived area but most of the people I know would turn their nose up at cheap as shit basic stuff brought to a communal event where people had chipped in.

Even if you eat Asda Smartprice at home all the time, nobody with half a brain brings that to a party. Especially with other people’s money. And other people you don’t know well. That’s just tightwad CFers who are thick and don’t have any social graces.

Thank you. Yes, this is what I thought. At a celebration you eat nice food. And it wasn't like they didn't have the money to get nice things as we'd all chipped in.

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:09

FTPM1980 · 28/06/2024 20:02

You aren't big drinkers
And you brought wine and beer....but OH still had more than one vodka before dinner?
Who drinks vodka before dinner?

If someone offered me a glass of wine, a beer or a vodka I wouldn't just help myself to a second...I would ask.
It would be different if I had a bottle of wine and said to a friend would you like to share the wine...then she can help herself (but most people try to keep it even)

I think DP and our friend were just trying to join in with this guy. Trying to be inclusive, I guess.

I guess we are different to you. If someone asked we'd laugh and say no need to ask - help yourself!

And I don't think us bringing a bottle of wine, a bottle of champagne and some beers to share over a weekend is alcoholic territory to be honest.

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:02

Strictlymad · 28/06/2024 19:37

This couple sound like tight killjoy cheapskates, and know you weren’t wromg to assume they would share cheap vodka when they were happily tucking into your stuff! If they had said no thanks we will stick to what we brought you might have gathered they were of a different view, but them taking yours happily would give the impression sharing was all good! What a nasty piece of work to punch your dh as well. And I would be equally horrified if I’d pitched in for breakfast and they’d shopped like that!

Yes, I do think they have the impression they were happy to share. Honestly, when it all kicked off I was so surprised! I had no idea they were thinking all these things!

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 20:58

Shinyandnew1 · 28/06/2024 19:22

But going forward I don't think this couple would be invited again

Have you spoken to any of the friends since you both walked out that night? What was said?

Yes, spoken to them all. They were all disgusted with the behaviour of this man. And the other couple in our house thought they were ridiculous expecting breakfast and cups of tea. Funnily enough they also wondered if the couple used our breakfast money for their vodka. But we've all just chalked it up to experience and won't make the same mistake again.

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WitchyBits · 28/06/2024 20:56

Regularly get together as friends both at home and on holiday and what we bring is fair game unless it's very specifically mentioned. I do think this is a failure to communicate clearly but that doesn't mean violence is ever ok!

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 20:54

annabofana · 28/06/2024 19:20

Obviously groups of people from very different economic / social backgrounds.

I feel a bit sad reading it.

The fact that you looked visibly "shocked" at the cheap bread and crisps they'd bought won't have made them feel good. And they will have noticed that you'd snuck out for breakfast rather than eat the food they'd bought.

(Also, it sounds like you didn't tell them you are vegetarian, is that right?)

Two sides to every story, but I'm willing to bet they picked up on your snobby attitude and emotions were running high due to that.

Honestly, it would make me feel bad if they knew I didn't like their food.

But my DP is from the same background as them.

Unfortunately, due to my autism I know sometimes I give away feelings that I don't mean to. Hence, me saying they may have read it on my face. It was really not deliberate.

I did tell them I was vegetarian.

I just didn't like the food they bought. The eggs were caged hens ones. Obviously I don't eat the meat. Then sugary cereal and cheap white bread. I really don't mean to offend but I just don't like that food.

We just went for a walk and grabbed something from the bakery. They were still in bed. We really tried our best not to offend.

If I came across with a snobby attitude then I would be very sorry as I would never mean to do that. But is it no ok to like different things? I don't have to like their food? And we did all pay a decent amount of money. There was no need for them to get cheap things. I do wonder what they did with the money.

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 20:41

Tilly22222 · 28/06/2024 19:13

OP, you’ve picked up some weird responses on this thread, presumably from people offended on behalf of crisps and baked beans.

😂

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 20:40

YabbaDabbaDooooo · 28/06/2024 19:12

Why do you think he tried to batter your husband then?

And what did the other couple say once your husband sobered up and came to collect the car?

Well, apparently because my partner had some of his vodka without asking and we didn't offer them cups of tea or make them breakfast.

Just to be clear I don't mean we were making ourselves tea or anyone else and left them out. We didn't make any tea and we didn't make any breakfast either.

We didn't speak to anyone when we came and got the car. It was early so we didn't want to disturb anyone. My friend did come to the hotel that evening with a sort of care package for us which was very sweet.

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caringcarer · 28/06/2024 20:35

It sounds as if this guy had too much spirits if he then physically attacked your DH.

NotSoHotMess24 · 28/06/2024 20:35

YaWeeFurryBastard · 28/06/2024 18:53

You keep saying things like “within this friendship group we share” “in our group” etc. but you weren’t in “your group”, you were with one couple you usually socialise with and one you don’t. It’s coming across as very mean girls, superior and exclusionary which makes me wonder if there’s more to this.

People like this deserve to be excluded.

I do really hope the OPs friends do the right thing and drop the couple who were do rude and nasty (and violent).

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 20:35

Ladyluckinred · 28/06/2024 19:08

Thank goodness that man did ‘share’ his alcohol! Sounds like he had enough to drink anyway. How silly of him, all he had to say was a) This is mine, get your own or b) Who’s getting the next bottle when this one’s done?! Simple!

Good you got out of there. Leave him and his precious vodka to it. Have you heard from your other friends today? Does the bloke feel like a petty twat for starting a physical fight over a bloody bottle of vodka?

It was last weekend. And yes, hope he enjoys not sharing his vodka as he'll not have anyone to share it with!

And no, he wasn't remorseful. Thought he was completely in the right. I think his wife was quite embarrassed, though.

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 20:32

BagFullOfNoodles · 28/06/2024 19:08

Whether you share alcohol or not isn't relevant, I don't tend to with DB and SIL because they like sweets drinks, fruit cider or alcopops , SIL once offered me candy floss flavoured gin with cream soda, I like dry white wine , but in those situations if offered I just say no thanks I'll stick with what I've brought I'm a bit fussy with drinks!

The big issue here is that the man physically attacked your partner!!

Candy floss gin with cream soda - sounds very interesting! Not my thing really either!

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hopscotcher · 28/06/2024 20:32

It does sound as if you might have come across as looking down on the food they'd brought. You've mentioned it quite a lot here. However, I think you were right to leave. Poor communication, unnecessary aggression and lessons learned (as you say) about going away with other people.

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 20:30

YaWeeFurryBastard · 28/06/2024 18:53

You keep saying things like “within this friendship group we share” “in our group” etc. but you weren’t in “your group”, you were with one couple you usually socialise with and one you don’t. It’s coming across as very mean girls, superior and exclusionary which makes me wonder if there’s more to this.

I'm really sorry if I'm coming across like that. I'm just saying 'in our group' to explain why we made the assumption we did.

As I said we did try hard to include them - hence why they were invited. When the food was different to expected we still thanked them and said nothing. We weren't all slagging them off or saying their food was crap.

We were treating them as part of the group hence falling into the trap of not realising they like to do things differently.

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marmiteoneverything · 28/06/2024 20:30

Screamingabdabz · 28/06/2024 18:43

They sound utterly vile. Violent grabby twats. I’d have burst into tears at that shit ‘breakfast’ so don’t worry about your ‘shocked face’ op! You did the right thing to get away asap.

Does the birthday person know what kicked off? what are their thoughts?

Burst into tears? It was bog standard bacon, sausages, baked beans and toast, not a baby unicorn!

NotSoHotMess24 · 28/06/2024 20:29

YANBU. If you like someone enough to go on holiday with them (even people you don't know that well), the social norm is that you like them enough to share with them and the group. Surely even toddlers know that?? Even from a purely practical note, it's impossible to make everything completely "fair", eg) everyone having exactly a 6th of the resources, in this case. The obvious exception being if one person is visibly contributing nothing at all and are just freeloading. But in what you are describing, you are not unreasonable at all - they are definitely the ones acting in an extremely odd and unpleasant way. You would have thought if they felt that strongly, they would have stayed somewhere just the two of them? Where they could keep their precious vodka and margarine safely under lock and key 😂