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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 13:59

We went on an adult only trip to to celebrate a big birthday of a friend. It was a large group and we were divided into different holiday homes. We were sharing with one couple who are mutual friends of ours and one couple who we'd met a few times before but are not friends of ours.

Before we went this couple suggested we all put a bit of money in and they'd get some basic ingredients for breakfast/snacks for the holiday home. We agreed as did the friends of ours.

When we arrived they showed us what they'd bought. It was lots of 'basics' type things like cheap white bread, biscuits, crisps, squash, margarine, baked beans, instant coffee, sugary cereal, lots of sausages and bacon (I'm vegetarian.) This is not the type of food I normally eat but after a moment just thought I obviously had different expectations but as nothing was specified I'll have to put it down to experience. So we didn't say anything negative about the food - just got on with it.

We'd all brought some alcohol with us. Myself and the friends of ours said to everybody else 'please help yourself.' We'd brought a bottle of champagne, some wine and beers. Our friends had bought similar. The other couple bought a bottle of spirits. I realise now they'd not suggested that it was to be shared. I'd also brought some nice nibbles to share - crisps, olives, bread sticks.

On the first proper night (had arrived late on the first day) we were all sat in the lounge having some drinks and the nibbles I'd brought. I'd opened one of our bottles of wine and myself and the 2 other women were drinking that. The men all had some of the spirit. Anyway the evening went on and the men were a bit drunk. The man who brought the bottle of spirits started a physical fight with my DP because he'd helped himself to the spirit. It all came out. About how they'd offered us a cup of tea but we'd not reciprocated - we didn't ever have a tea as we don't like the cheap tea bags. We should have made them breakfast to thank them for getting the shopping.

I realised the whole thing about us paying for this shopping was essentially because they couldn't bare to share anything.

My DP didn't retaliate but left the holiday home to go for a walk to let things calm down. When he got back we packed our things and left.

I think the moral is not to go on holiday with people you don't know well. We are the type of people that share everything. They'd been counting every time my partner had some of their alcohol. They also eat very differently to us, which is fine, I'd just not realised. But perhaps they should have checked as they wanted to do it this way.

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Andwegoroundagain · 29/06/2024 07:43

You're not BU OP.
You didn't like the breakfast offerings and it wasn't a huge choice as your are veggie anyway (and you'd told them). Yes I can see how they'd maybe thought everyone would cook them a massive fry up but then again the other couple didn't either?
But you slipped out and bought your own and said nothing. That was not offensive.
You didn't make tea but you didn't have any. So also not offensive. Did the other couple make tea?
You openly shared your wine and nibbles and your DP had a glass of vodka without being asked. And got that reaction.
Honestly these people sound batshit !

HulaChick · 29/06/2024 07:26

YANBU & the other couple sound awful.

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 29/06/2024 03:17

This is getting the strangest replies I’ve ever seen on mumsnet.

OP you are not an alcoholic or unreasonable not to want to eat crap food. I don’t eat crap food ever. I certainly wouldn’t do it on holiday! I love nice wine too! It doesn’t make me an alcoholic. It makes me an adult who has good taste in things.

Leave the rest of these daft bastards replying to you with nonsense to their smart price beans. Fuck em! YANBU.

ImustLearn2Cook · 29/06/2024 02:12

If the couple who brought the vodka didn’t want other members of the group to help themselves to their vodka then they should not have helped themselves to the alcohol that other members of the group had brought with them.

By helping themselves to others alcohol they are entering a social contract to share theirs.

As for the cheap, low quality food. Why would anyone be offended that others might not want to eat it, and prefer a much nicer breakfast alternative?

UWNBU, the violent, angry man was. I hope his girlfriend sees sense and LTB.

MoonintheStreet · 29/06/2024 01:12

MaterCogitaVera · 29/06/2024 00:52

As a fellow autistic person, I think I understand why you asked the question in the way you did. You know that the attack was absolutely wrong, so you don’t need anyone else’s opinion. But you’re not sure about the dynamics of the drink and food situation, and you want outside opinions so that you can learn from what happened. Is that right?

Here’s my take:

I do not think it was unreasonable to assume that all the alcohol was fair game, since everyone apparently was helping themselves to all the other drinks. If everything else is being treated as a free for all, it’s down to the owner of the vodka to find some way to clarify that they are not offering it on the same terms - maybe by putting the top back on and keeping the bottle tucked down by their own chair, rather than leaving it out with all the communal drinks. But it would be rather bad to do so, unless there was something special about the vodka, or unless the owner wasn’t partaking of any of the other drinks and wanted to make sure they had enough for themselves.

I also think their choice of foods and snacks was weird and inappropriate. If two other couples have chipped in a decent amount for a weekend’s breakfasts and snacks for a group of adults, buying the cheapest possible supermarket basics is a bit insulting. From what you say, it sounds like there was enough money there to have bought decent-quality bread, beans, bacon, veggie sausages, free-range eggs, and that you’d have found that quite acceptable (even if not what you’d have chosen for yourself)? The problem is that they bought a lot of really poor-quality food even though you gave enough money for significantly better-quality options. I’d be confused and really annoyed by that. Anyone who thinks this is snobbish has an odd idea of snobbery - these foods are not bog-standard-quality; they’re very cheap, bulked out with cheap ingredients, generally low in nutrition and don’t taste great.

So, they offered to do the food shopping, and did an obviously bad and inconsiderate job of it. You wouldn’t have owed them a tea and breakfast service even if they’d made better food choices, especially since they volunteered and you’d have happily done it yourself otherwise. It’s not a major task and certainly not one that entitles them to demand that you and your friends become their private caterers for the weekend!

The husband, in particular, sounds like an abusive bully. No rational, decent adult behaves that way. I don’t think you or your DP did anything obviously wrong.

But some people choose quantity over quality. Some people like white sliced bread, cereal, baked beans, squash, sausages etc. and snack on biscuits and crisps. Some people literally can’t taste the difference. My father’s approach to food is that it should be ‘nice and hot and plenty of it’. He’d prefer to big plate of cheap food to something he ‘had to appreciate’.

To them it wasn’t a ‘bad and inconsiderate job’ of breakfast shopping — they presumably bought the kind of thing they eat themselves. The OP even acknowledges this — that it was a matter of mismatched expectations. If they don’t eat like that themselves, they can have had no idea the OP wanted freshly-squeezed orange juice, wholemeal bread, freerange eggs, yoghurt, fruit and pastries. They presumably thought that a vegetarian could eat beans if she wanted more than toast and cereal.

Obviously the hitting someone who drank their vodka thing is territorial and quite mad (I seem to remember people hiding their own bottles at student parties when we were all skint), but I’m not sure I necessarily think they consciously skimped on breakfast food to spend the OP’s money on booze.

MaterCogitaVera · 29/06/2024 00:52

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 23:57

Because I don't need to ask if AIBU about the attack. I already know the answer to that

As a fellow autistic person, I think I understand why you asked the question in the way you did. You know that the attack was absolutely wrong, so you don’t need anyone else’s opinion. But you’re not sure about the dynamics of the drink and food situation, and you want outside opinions so that you can learn from what happened. Is that right?

Here’s my take:

I do not think it was unreasonable to assume that all the alcohol was fair game, since everyone apparently was helping themselves to all the other drinks. If everything else is being treated as a free for all, it’s down to the owner of the vodka to find some way to clarify that they are not offering it on the same terms - maybe by putting the top back on and keeping the bottle tucked down by their own chair, rather than leaving it out with all the communal drinks. But it would be rather bad to do so, unless there was something special about the vodka, or unless the owner wasn’t partaking of any of the other drinks and wanted to make sure they had enough for themselves.

I also think their choice of foods and snacks was weird and inappropriate. If two other couples have chipped in a decent amount for a weekend’s breakfasts and snacks for a group of adults, buying the cheapest possible supermarket basics is a bit insulting. From what you say, it sounds like there was enough money there to have bought decent-quality bread, beans, bacon, veggie sausages, free-range eggs, and that you’d have found that quite acceptable (even if not what you’d have chosen for yourself)? The problem is that they bought a lot of really poor-quality food even though you gave enough money for significantly better-quality options. I’d be confused and really annoyed by that. Anyone who thinks this is snobbish has an odd idea of snobbery - these foods are not bog-standard-quality; they’re very cheap, bulked out with cheap ingredients, generally low in nutrition and don’t taste great.

So, they offered to do the food shopping, and did an obviously bad and inconsiderate job of it. You wouldn’t have owed them a tea and breakfast service even if they’d made better food choices, especially since they volunteered and you’d have happily done it yourself otherwise. It’s not a major task and certainly not one that entitles them to demand that you and your friends become their private caterers for the weekend!

The husband, in particular, sounds like an abusive bully. No rational, decent adult behaves that way. I don’t think you or your DP did anything obviously wrong.

MoonintheStreet · 29/06/2024 00:08

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 23:57

Because I don't need to ask if AIBU about the attack. I already know the answer to that

But what if everyone said no, no one ever shares alcohol, and you should have accepted the offer of a cup of tea with their nasty cheap teabags — would that legitimise the attack?

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 23:57

MoonintheStreet · 28/06/2024 23:39

The guy attacked your partner! Why are you so fixated on the ‘cheap’ food they bought? Why is your thread title about sharing alcohol rather than the attack?

Because I don't need to ask if AIBU about the attack. I already know the answer to that

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MoonintheStreet · 28/06/2024 23:39

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 17:37

Well, yes, it's not how we are used to dealing with disagreements. But I did realise afterwards that we are just very different people. They'd taken the money and got the cheapest food they could get. Consequently there was far too much - loads of packets of biscuits and cheap crisps, loads of cheap bacon and sausages and baked beans. On holiday we would prefer to have at least as nice if not nicer food than we have at home. And I'd be much more careful going forwards as to who I go on holiday with.

The guy attacked your partner! Why are you so fixated on the ‘cheap’ food they bought? Why is your thread title about sharing alcohol rather than the attack?

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 23:32

YellowAsteroid · 28/06/2024 23:25

The OP is not in the least snobbish. She just wanted good quality food while on a weekend away.

And frankly, the acquaintances sound quite low rent. It’s not snobbish to describe honestly what they thought was food to share as cheap and not very good quality if it was cheap and not good quality.

Thank you.

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YellowAsteroid · 28/06/2024 23:25

The OP is not in the least snobbish. She just wanted good quality food while on a weekend away.

And frankly, the acquaintances sound quite low rent. It’s not snobbish to describe honestly what they thought was food to share as cheap and not very good quality if it was cheap and not good quality.

YellowAsteroid · 28/06/2024 23:21

And no, he wasn't remorseful. Thought he was completely in the right. I think his wife was quite embarrassed, though.

Completely in the right to hit someone??? They sound awful @Riversideandrelax -a bit trailer trash as well as cheap and mean. Maybe they’re not used to socialising much.

And expecting you to make them breakfast and cups of tea, simply because they’d gone to Lidl (or Poundland?) for cheap food ??? - for which you’d paid your fair share. Vulgar chancers.

DreamTheMoors · 28/06/2024 22:55

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 28/06/2024 22:17

There's no excuse for violence

But you come off very snobby. You still keep mentioning how expensive the stuff was you brought and how fancy you wanted breakfast

It would have been obvious you didn't eat their breakfast. Nothing had gone, no cooking smells etc. And I agree they probably thought it would be a communal affair

And if you and the other couple had EXPLICITLY said "oh help yourself" about the drink, them not saying anything should have been taken as red that they didn't mean it to be shared.

I don’t think @Riversideandrelax is coming off as the snobby person here, all due respect.

DreamTheMoors · 28/06/2024 22:46

I can’t get over the guy being so chintzy that he’d actually physically attack somebody for having a sip or two out of his bottle of precious alcohol. What was in it? Mars vapour? Raindrops from Jupiter? Crushed rainbows from Venus?
Sheezus.
He needs to go Miss Manner’s School of Anger Management & Wallet Extraction.
And I’m only half-joking.
It’s like a lousy sitcom gone bad, and I’m very sorry you - and especially your husband - had such a difficult and shocking experience.
It should never have been a lesson in the first place.

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 22:41

StarvingMarvin222 · 28/06/2024 22:31

@Riversideandrelax is not snobby,she just wants a choice of some food that she'll actyeat.
She's paid her money just like the other couples

What's wrong with having nice stuff on holiday,you're there to enjoy yourself.
You're not there for penance.

Thank you

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 22:40

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 28/06/2024 22:17

There's no excuse for violence

But you come off very snobby. You still keep mentioning how expensive the stuff was you brought and how fancy you wanted breakfast

It would have been obvious you didn't eat their breakfast. Nothing had gone, no cooking smells etc. And I agree they probably thought it would be a communal affair

And if you and the other couple had EXPLICITLY said "oh help yourself" about the drink, them not saying anything should have been taken as red that they didn't mean it to be shared.

People asked me whether I bought cheap wine so I was just answering that.

And my suggestion of what I'd like for breakfast wasn't overly fancy, I didn't think.

But yes, we should have picked up on that.

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Slavetomycat · 28/06/2024 22:33

It all sounds like a nightmare, OP. I am vegetarian, and admit that I like to eat well, and am fortunate to be able to pay to do that. I like you, would have really struggled to eat what they brought, or even to drink the coffee. I hear you.

I suspect that them knowing none of you ate any of what they brought for breakfast, nor anything else throughout the day was uncomfortable. Then seeing your 'nice snacks' and choice of alcohol may well have been mortifying, whether intentional or not. They clearly missed the mark in all the ways, and the weekend was just warming up. Too much drink, embarrassed and angry. Not an excuse at all - there is none for violence! - but I feel almost sorry for them here.

StarvingMarvin222 · 28/06/2024 22:31

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 28/06/2024 22:17

There's no excuse for violence

But you come off very snobby. You still keep mentioning how expensive the stuff was you brought and how fancy you wanted breakfast

It would have been obvious you didn't eat their breakfast. Nothing had gone, no cooking smells etc. And I agree they probably thought it would be a communal affair

And if you and the other couple had EXPLICITLY said "oh help yourself" about the drink, them not saying anything should have been taken as red that they didn't mean it to be shared.

@Riversideandrelax is not snobby,she just wants a choice of some food that she'll actyeat.
She's paid her money just like the other couples

What's wrong with having nice stuff on holiday,you're there to enjoy yourself.
You're not there for penance.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 28/06/2024 22:17

There's no excuse for violence

But you come off very snobby. You still keep mentioning how expensive the stuff was you brought and how fancy you wanted breakfast

It would have been obvious you didn't eat their breakfast. Nothing had gone, no cooking smells etc. And I agree they probably thought it would be a communal affair

And if you and the other couple had EXPLICITLY said "oh help yourself" about the drink, them not saying anything should have been taken as red that they didn't mean it to be shared.

Screamingabdabz · 28/06/2024 21:56

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:47

Thank you.

It's not that I don't understand about budgeting for food. I absolutely do. I eat porridge for breakfast at home.

But if I'm away I'd like some nice coffee, some freshly squeezed orange juice, maybe some eggs and wholemeal toast or a veggie sausage sandwich or some fruit salad and yogurt or pastries! I wasn't expecting caged hens eggs, basic baked beans and cheap white toast. They had the money to get nicer than basics stuff so their decision is hard to understand.

Spot on op. I’m veggie too - I would’ve expected the same. Most people would.

FuzzyStripes · 28/06/2024 21:51

Violence aside, because there is no excusing or justifying that, you just sound like very different people with different expectations and inadequate communication.

I’d chalk this up to experience and make sure expectations are clear in the future.

Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:47

Fangisnotacoward · 28/06/2024 21:35

I think you are getting some harsh responses here OP.
If im on holiday, and self catering, I want to have nice food, nicer than I would buy for myself at home.
It sounds like the couple have bought the cheapest, crappest most processed food they could. I am absolutely no snoglb, but if I put money towards food and got a white "essentials" loaf with cheap crisps and sausages, I'd be annoyed.

Thank you.

It's not that I don't understand about budgeting for food. I absolutely do. I eat porridge for breakfast at home.

But if I'm away I'd like some nice coffee, some freshly squeezed orange juice, maybe some eggs and wholemeal toast or a veggie sausage sandwich or some fruit salad and yogurt or pastries! I wasn't expecting caged hens eggs, basic baked beans and cheap white toast. They had the money to get nicer than basics stuff so their decision is hard to understand.

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 21:41

CatamaranViper · 28/06/2024 21:31

Re the food, unfortunately this is what happens when one person or couple are left in charge of selecting everything. Perhaps they wanted to stretch the money as far as they could because they wouldn't be able to top up during the stay? Quite thoughtless that they didn't buy veggie stuff for you. My SIL is veggie and I always buy some veggie sausages or something for her. Just like I always have some GF biscuits at home for my coeliac friend when she pops by. It's just being thoughtful.

Re breakfast, I would have been hurt if you snuck off for breakfast. I'd assume in that setting you'd have a team breakfast where you all chip in (in one way or another). But I'd also probably say something the day before so everyone was on the same page.

Re the drink, they were arseholes. It's a very understandable misunderstanding. In my circle we always share all the drinks. At the very least, it's usually discussed before hand ("let's all bring drinks to share. What does everyone like?"). If someone doesn't want to share then they can say then.
That said, in DHs shoes I probably would have checked before I poured myself a second glass, but if I was the other fellow I would have said something like "ah that's the only thing I'll drink this weekend so id rather not share" or I'd pop the bottle away after pouring.

However, none of that excuses him getting physical.

I think you may be right about the breakfast. And I genuinely feel bad about that. I think they probably did expect a communal breakfast as we'd all chipped in for the food.

OP posts:
Fangisnotacoward · 28/06/2024 21:35

I think you are getting some harsh responses here OP.
If im on holiday, and self catering, I want to have nice food, nicer than I would buy for myself at home.
It sounds like the couple have bought the cheapest, crappest most processed food they could. I am absolutely no snoglb, but if I put money towards food and got a white "essentials" loaf with cheap crisps and sausages, I'd be annoyed.

CatamaranViper · 28/06/2024 21:31

Re the food, unfortunately this is what happens when one person or couple are left in charge of selecting everything. Perhaps they wanted to stretch the money as far as they could because they wouldn't be able to top up during the stay? Quite thoughtless that they didn't buy veggie stuff for you. My SIL is veggie and I always buy some veggie sausages or something for her. Just like I always have some GF biscuits at home for my coeliac friend when she pops by. It's just being thoughtful.

Re breakfast, I would have been hurt if you snuck off for breakfast. I'd assume in that setting you'd have a team breakfast where you all chip in (in one way or another). But I'd also probably say something the day before so everyone was on the same page.

Re the drink, they were arseholes. It's a very understandable misunderstanding. In my circle we always share all the drinks. At the very least, it's usually discussed before hand ("let's all bring drinks to share. What does everyone like?"). If someone doesn't want to share then they can say then.
That said, in DHs shoes I probably would have checked before I poured myself a second glass, but if I was the other fellow I would have said something like "ah that's the only thing I'll drink this weekend so id rather not share" or I'd pop the bottle away after pouring.

However, none of that excuses him getting physical.