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To expect to share alcohol?

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Riversideandrelax · 28/06/2024 13:59

We went on an adult only trip to to celebrate a big birthday of a friend. It was a large group and we were divided into different holiday homes. We were sharing with one couple who are mutual friends of ours and one couple who we'd met a few times before but are not friends of ours.

Before we went this couple suggested we all put a bit of money in and they'd get some basic ingredients for breakfast/snacks for the holiday home. We agreed as did the friends of ours.

When we arrived they showed us what they'd bought. It was lots of 'basics' type things like cheap white bread, biscuits, crisps, squash, margarine, baked beans, instant coffee, sugary cereal, lots of sausages and bacon (I'm vegetarian.) This is not the type of food I normally eat but after a moment just thought I obviously had different expectations but as nothing was specified I'll have to put it down to experience. So we didn't say anything negative about the food - just got on with it.

We'd all brought some alcohol with us. Myself and the friends of ours said to everybody else 'please help yourself.' We'd brought a bottle of champagne, some wine and beers. Our friends had bought similar. The other couple bought a bottle of spirits. I realise now they'd not suggested that it was to be shared. I'd also brought some nice nibbles to share - crisps, olives, bread sticks.

On the first proper night (had arrived late on the first day) we were all sat in the lounge having some drinks and the nibbles I'd brought. I'd opened one of our bottles of wine and myself and the 2 other women were drinking that. The men all had some of the spirit. Anyway the evening went on and the men were a bit drunk. The man who brought the bottle of spirits started a physical fight with my DP because he'd helped himself to the spirit. It all came out. About how they'd offered us a cup of tea but we'd not reciprocated - we didn't ever have a tea as we don't like the cheap tea bags. We should have made them breakfast to thank them for getting the shopping.

I realised the whole thing about us paying for this shopping was essentially because they couldn't bare to share anything.

My DP didn't retaliate but left the holiday home to go for a walk to let things calm down. When he got back we packed our things and left.

I think the moral is not to go on holiday with people you don't know well. We are the type of people that share everything. They'd been counting every time my partner had some of their alcohol. They also eat very differently to us, which is fine, I'd just not realised. But perhaps they should have checked as they wanted to do it this way.

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IsMayBefore · 01/07/2024 08:02

Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 22:53

We paid £30 per couple so they had £90 in all!

I bet they purchased their alcohol with the contribution total so felt you were drinking their 'profit'!!

What awful people. Even if I felt resentfully tight, I'd never actually air that!

Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 22:53

IsMayBefore · 30/06/2024 22:42

I'd have felt the same. I bet your contribution wasn't a small amount either - sounds like they made profit!

We paid £30 per couple so they had £90 in all!

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IsMayBefore · 30/06/2024 22:42

I'd have felt the same. I bet your contribution wasn't a small amount either - sounds like they made profit!

Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 22:41

CountFucula · 30/06/2024 21:35

Hardly fussy not to want cheap shit?

Yes, I wouldn't call myself fussy. Liking healthy/nutritious food is not being fussy.

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 22:40

SagittariusDwarf · 30/06/2024 18:54

Given you're so fussy about food OP, why didn't you do the food shop yourself?

I wouldn't say, I'm that fussy to be honest. But yes, I wish I had! Then again maybe I would have bought things they didn't like!

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 22:38

LadyChilli · 30/06/2024 17:48

Leaving aside the violence where obviously the guy was in the wrong. I think if you let someone else have control of the buying without communicating it's not surprising there can be mismatched expectations. Some people think fresh squeezed fruit juice, yoghurt and pastries would be a nice holiday breakfast, others would treat themselves to sugary cereal and a load of sausages. Neither is wrong.

I'm assuming the violent guy saw everyone else sharing similar drinks to each other and was keeping himself to his own drinks but thought he was being generous by offering a glass of his spirit, then got upset when he thought his stuff was continuing to be consumed when he wouldn't want any of the wine or beers. I'm a fussy eater and experience similar with sharing plates or tapas - offer the person sitting next to me a taste of mine even though I've said I won't join in the general ordering and before I know it everyone is helping themselves to my plate and I end up hungry as I don't want theirs. It can be awkward to remind a group you can't eat their food and people can inadvertently get carried away taking mine. Like your husband taking a glass of vodka without realising the man brought the amount he thought only he would drink.

Don't go away with other people is the moral of this story, unless you know them well. This story brought back memories of a very similar situation when I was in my 20s, minus the violence, and I've not done a break like that since. In our group it was agreed that the one smoker in the group shouldn't need to go outside for a cigarette and when I got home I had to bin anything I couldn't wash as it all reeked. I had no idea that would have been the group norm (early 2000s).

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I completely agree neither is wrong. I think where they were wrong is asking for so much money and buying lots of extra food for them to take home.

It was a lot for just him to drink! But maybe it was as you say. His wife was sharing, though which confuses things.

And yes, I agree, we have learnt an important lesson!

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 22:33

StarvingMarvin222 · 30/06/2024 17:11

All the posters here berating the op for cheap white bread, cheap rashers, sausages.
Imagine you giving someone money to buy stuff and they bring back loads of the stuff you hate.
We all have stuff we don't like.
So imagine giving them £30nd they bring back your most hated item.
Something that you'd never eat.
That's how the op felt.

Thank you. That was what it was like.

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CountFucula · 30/06/2024 21:35

Hardly fussy not to want cheap shit?

SagittariusDwarf · 30/06/2024 18:54

Given you're so fussy about food OP, why didn't you do the food shop yourself?

LadyChilli · 30/06/2024 17:48

Leaving aside the violence where obviously the guy was in the wrong. I think if you let someone else have control of the buying without communicating it's not surprising there can be mismatched expectations. Some people think fresh squeezed fruit juice, yoghurt and pastries would be a nice holiday breakfast, others would treat themselves to sugary cereal and a load of sausages. Neither is wrong.

I'm assuming the violent guy saw everyone else sharing similar drinks to each other and was keeping himself to his own drinks but thought he was being generous by offering a glass of his spirit, then got upset when he thought his stuff was continuing to be consumed when he wouldn't want any of the wine or beers. I'm a fussy eater and experience similar with sharing plates or tapas - offer the person sitting next to me a taste of mine even though I've said I won't join in the general ordering and before I know it everyone is helping themselves to my plate and I end up hungry as I don't want theirs. It can be awkward to remind a group you can't eat their food and people can inadvertently get carried away taking mine. Like your husband taking a glass of vodka without realising the man brought the amount he thought only he would drink.

Don't go away with other people is the moral of this story, unless you know them well. This story brought back memories of a very similar situation when I was in my 20s, minus the violence, and I've not done a break like that since. In our group it was agreed that the one smoker in the group shouldn't need to go outside for a cigarette and when I got home I had to bin anything I couldn't wash as it all reeked. I had no idea that would have been the group norm (early 2000s).

StarvingMarvin222 · 30/06/2024 17:11

All the posters here berating the op for cheap white bread, cheap rashers, sausages.
Imagine you giving someone money to buy stuff and they bring back loads of the stuff you hate.
We all have stuff we don't like.
So imagine giving them £30nd they bring back your most hated item.
Something that you'd never eat.
That's how the op felt.

Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 16:17

And I didn't particularly want pastries over something else. That was just a list of the kind of thing I would like. If they'd provided decent food for a fry-up that would have been fine too.

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 16:16

pocketaces · 30/06/2024 15:07

Communal buying like this never works as people have different norms and expectations and like different things.

Whilst they were probably knowingly on the make by buying loads of stuff they normally buy expecting it not to be used so they can take it home I don't think they maliciously bought cheap shit it's just they bought what they eat.

I would never eat value basics food either (sausages come in three levels with the good stuff 90% pork, standard stuff 70% and cheap shit about 30%) but everyone had their level.

On this thread people have turned their nose up at tea bags and mentioned getting loose leaf tea. Who the fuck buys loose leaf tea. And I'd happily buy nescafe and orange juice from concentrate but apparently that's not good enough either.

Failing to discuss and communicate was the issue here. Telling them you were veggie but then buying loads of bacon was inconsiderate but how would they know you wanted pastries if you didn't tell them

I think it can work if you know each other well/like the same things. But we made the mistake of assuming they like the same as us, which they obviously didn't.

I have to say in my defence I'd been at some BBQs with them before where people all chipped in and I'd never seen them bring super cheap items then. But obviously that wasn't enough to know the food they like for breakfast/nibbles.

And yes, you may be right.

Obviously, everyone has what they like, what they consider 'normal' and that is what myself and other posters have been commenting on. Personally, I don't use loose leaf tea but I can't stand Nescafé (flavour and morals) or orange juice from concentrate. It's not about it being good enough per se - if you like it it's good enough, if you don't it isn't. If you pay a certain amount of money, I don't think it is that odd to expect a certain quality of items, however misguided that expectation turned out to be!

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 16:07

sandyhappypeople · 30/06/2024 13:48

How much of their drink did DH drink? You said he helped himself to a second glass (after he was poured a first glass), but in the op it says they were counting every time he helped himself?

they are bang out of line but maybe they wouldn’t have minded one or two glasses.

what did you DH take for his drink? Did he offer any of his?

I'm actually not 100% how much he had. But it can't have been that much as only a short time. 2 or 3 maximum.

DP and I jointly brought beer, wine and champagne. We made it clear it was to share. They were welcome to help themselves - although we were keeping the champagne for the next night so didn't have that out.

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pocketaces · 30/06/2024 15:07

Communal buying like this never works as people have different norms and expectations and like different things.

Whilst they were probably knowingly on the make by buying loads of stuff they normally buy expecting it not to be used so they can take it home I don't think they maliciously bought cheap shit it's just they bought what they eat.

I would never eat value basics food either (sausages come in three levels with the good stuff 90% pork, standard stuff 70% and cheap shit about 30%) but everyone had their level.

On this thread people have turned their nose up at tea bags and mentioned getting loose leaf tea. Who the fuck buys loose leaf tea. And I'd happily buy nescafe and orange juice from concentrate but apparently that's not good enough either.

Failing to discuss and communicate was the issue here. Telling them you were veggie but then buying loads of bacon was inconsiderate but how would they know you wanted pastries if you didn't tell them

sandyhappypeople · 30/06/2024 13:48

How much of their drink did DH drink? You said he helped himself to a second glass (after he was poured a first glass), but in the op it says they were counting every time he helped himself?

they are bang out of line but maybe they wouldn’t have minded one or two glasses.

what did you DH take for his drink? Did he offer any of his?

Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 13:29

MaMaMalenka · 30/06/2024 09:42

I can't believe the hard time you are getting here, OP! THey behaved appallingly, he attacked your DP and posters here are basically victim blaming you, as if you deserved it for being "snobbish" about white bread and baked beans! (subtext: you think you are better than working class people - the only people who obviously like white bread - therefore you deserve being beaten up).
I hope you never have to see them again!

My DP is working class!

I hope we never see them again too! Certainly won't if we can help it!

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 13:25

YellowAsteroid · 30/06/2024 09:41

If PPs would actually read @Riversideandrelax ‘s posts, they’d see that the OP says (upthread) that she’s knows she’s not unreasonable about the attack on her husband. That’s not what she’s asking for other opinions about!

She’s asking about the sharing of food and in particular of wine and vodka.

And she’s not unreasonable about that, either. The other couple sound, at best, weird, and at worst, cheap grifters. Spending £90 on crap food - and sliced white bread, instant coffee, and shop-bought fairy cakes are - objectively - crap.

I don’t know why some PPs are intent on putting the boot into the OP. She sounds as though he and her DH are polite and non-confrontational - hence leaving the company of the nasty couple as quietly as they could.

Yes, thank you, exactly that.

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 13:24

Ilovelurchers · 30/06/2024 09:34

Again, why is everybody talking about the bread?

"These people bought me cheap bread. Then they attacked my husband."

And nearly everybody focuses on the bread?

(To be fair, I am rather surprised that OP even mentioned the bread. I can only suppose it was to give context as to how the dispute started. But it really is of no relevance who would or wouldn't be happy with the bread (and the biscuits, crisps etc) compared to the fact that somebody physically attacked her husband).

As I already said the fact the man attacked my DP is not up for debate as to if that is unreasonable. Everyone knows it is, it doesn't need saying.

The AIBU is about the food/sharing etc.

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 13:22

dogoverman · 30/06/2024 07:20

What an unpleasant and rather judgy post

Why wouldn't someone be irked to pay a considerable food for inedible food, perfectly entitled to that and why wouldn't they leave if someone became violent, sounds rather sensible

Yes, completely normal to me and most who have posted on this thread.

If we'd not walked away, god knows what violence would have ensued from this man.

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 13:20

Andwegoroundagain · 30/06/2024 06:26

OP I think you are not unreasonable to have assumed for £90 kitty that you'd be getting some nice brekker and the quantities of food they bought was frankly ridiculous. Especially as they knew one of the party was vegetarian so why so many sausages and bacon?

And all these people who are criticising you for being snobbish ... I don't think they'd also have thought by contributing £30 to a £90 kitty that they'd be getting enormous volumes of cheap ingredients.

For sure, some people don't care about what brand bacon and sausages and what sort of eggs. And that's fine, but then don't ask for a £30 contribution for a couple of fry ups. So I think this couple were honestly really CF to have asked for so much money.

And yes all of this pales compared to the actual incident itself !

I honestly think they were planning on lots of leftovers to take home with them. Because yes, I agree, the quantities were ridiculous!

For most people I think they would assume with £90 for the shop it would not have just been made up of 'value' items.

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 13:17

NewName24 · 29/06/2024 23:54

It doesn't matter how many times you have said "I didn't want to offend" "I didn't want to appear snobby", you then follow it up by reiterating your snobbery.

I presume this was one weekend ? You could have just sucked it up. Honestly, you aren't coming across well here.

Obviously there is no excuse for someone to "start a physical fight", of course there isn't. Everyone on the thread agrees with that, but how strange for you to then leave. Surely the other couple would have backed you saying to them "I think you should leave in the morning" rather than you scuttling away in the night.

I too, would like to hear the two other versions of what happened - one from the couple who you approve of and one from the couple who you clearly think are beneath you.

So if you'd contributed £30 for 2 breakfasts, you'd have just sucked up the poor quality? Really?

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 13:15

NewName24 · 29/06/2024 23:54

It doesn't matter how many times you have said "I didn't want to offend" "I didn't want to appear snobby", you then follow it up by reiterating your snobbery.

I presume this was one weekend ? You could have just sucked it up. Honestly, you aren't coming across well here.

Obviously there is no excuse for someone to "start a physical fight", of course there isn't. Everyone on the thread agrees with that, but how strange for you to then leave. Surely the other couple would have backed you saying to them "I think you should leave in the morning" rather than you scuttling away in the night.

I too, would like to hear the two other versions of what happened - one from the couple who you approve of and one from the couple who you clearly think are beneath you.

No, I couldn't have sucked it up. As I've said I'm autistic. I would not have been able to eat that food.

Many, many people have said they would have done the exact same thing. And I wasn't about to stay with these people until the next morning. No way. We didn't 'scuttle' away. We chose to leave.

I think I've made clear where the other couple were coming from. As to them telling them yourself, well that's unlikely to happen isn't it? You either accept the information I've given and answer based on that or really your post is worthless.

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 13:10

FeistyFrankie · 29/06/2024 22:57

What a strange post.

OP why wasn’t a discussion had beforehand about what food was being ordered? Whenever I’ve gone away as part of a group, any food orders are made with each person’s input (or at least, approval of what to buy). Why didn’t this happen? I just find it really hard to believe that you didn’t think to check what they were going to buy.

Sharing alcohol is unusual in my group of friends, most people don’t do this. I’m unsure as to why you’d assume that this would need to be stated outright.

I think there’s a lot of detail that’s been conveniently left out of this story in order to paint the other couple in a negative light.

Yes, it was a mistake. If anyone else in the group had done the shop there would have been no discussion needed. I suppose we're all on the same wavelength and different realise this couple weren't.

As for sharing alcohol completely normal for us. I don't know anyone that wouldn't do this. And according to this thread most people do share.

So if everyone is happily sharing including this couple, you're conclusion would be that actually this couple don't want to share even though they've said nothing? I find that very odd. Surely as the odd couple out the onus was on them to specify that they didn't want to share their alcohol (but wanted to share other people's!)

What detail is being 'conveniently left out'?

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Riversideandrelax · 30/06/2024 12:57

Ilovelurchers · 29/06/2024 22:54

I have read most of this thread, may have missed the odd post, and I must say it strikes me as strange over all, and the weirdest thing is how many of the posts focus on the nature of the food, what type of bread and coffee it was etc.....

THIS MAN PHYSICALLY ATTACKED OP'S PARTNER!!!!

I assume he wasn't badly hurt, or OP would have mentioned it, but fuck me, being attacked by people you have gone on holiday with is SERIOUSLY fucking extreme! (And I don't come from an especially sheltered background, believe me).

The fact they bought food OP doesn't like - inevitable when people are shopping with people they don't know. The failure to share alcohol - happens....

But punching your husband??? He"s lucky your husband didn't call the cops. And I am frankly AMAZED that he was still welcome at the birthday meal after this attack - I'd be very unhappy if my friends continued to socialise with somebody who had done this. Do they understand the extent of it, and that it was entirely unprovoked?

We just didn't want to ruin the weekend for birthday friend any more than it already had been.

I asked my friend exactly what happened the next day. They all went out before the couple appeared. They'd left (with the food!) before they got back. So I think they got the message by that point.

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