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To think Joe Biden needs to be replaced as a candidate

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Viviennemary · 28/06/2024 07:52

I just saw a headline saying Biden absolutely lost the plot last night and was totally incoherent. Why on earth is he bring put forward as a candidate. I know a lot of folk on here think nothing could be worse than Trump. Or does it not really matter who is President as somebody else makes the big decisions anyway and the President is just a figurehead. I find it a bit scarey that the USA can only come up with those two. Many Democrats are apparently calling for him to be replaced.

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TempestTost · 14/07/2024 01:40

User135644 · 28/06/2024 17:56

I wouldn't vote for Biden and wouldn't vote Trump.

The Democrats have got a lot to answer for. They got Trump in by stitching up Bernie for 2016 with the deeply divisive Hilary who Trump could play the anti establishment card against. Now they're putting up someone who would struggle to say his own name.

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Honestly it almost feels like it's on purpose.

To what end? I don't know, and actually I don't think it is on purpose. But it's so over the top it seems like they can't actually think they are making the right decisions.

TempestTost · 14/07/2024 01:38

Bullpuckey · 28/06/2024 16:06

It’ll be a conservative woman someone like Kristi Noem (not her but someone similar)

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I'd bet on this too.

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Viviennemary · 13/07/2024 22:57

Metempsychosis · 13/07/2024 22:14

They can choose someone else, but I'm pretty sure I heard that donations made to the Biden / Harris campaign can only be used if one of them is the candidate.

If Newsom/Whitmer/Pritzker/whoever were parachuted in then they'd need to start fundraising again from scratch. Not necessarily insuperable: a lot of Democrat donors went on strike after the debate, and Prizker has more money of his own than God.

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Yes I think I heard something about funding on the news a day or two ago. There would be a problem. Time is running out. Surely they must know this. But I suppose things will be going on behind the scenes. But why they ever thought the increasingly frail looking Biden was up to the job is anybody's guess.

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Metempsychosis · 13/07/2024 22:14

Viviennemary · 13/07/2024 21:49

From what I heard on our news here the Vice President isn't very popular. Or can they choose somebody else. They need to do something fairly quickly.

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They can choose someone else, but I'm pretty sure I heard that donations made to the Biden / Harris campaign can only be used if one of them is the candidate.

If Newsom/Whitmer/Pritzker/whoever were parachuted in then they'd need to start fundraising again from scratch. Not necessarily insuperable: a lot of Democrat donors went on strike after the debate, and Prizker has more money of his own than God.

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Viviennemary · 13/07/2024 21:49

BruFord · 13/07/2024 21:04

My DH and I were talking about the situation earlier and commenting that Trump’s court cases and guilty verdict now seem like old news here in the US, everyone’s focusing on Biden’s gaffes.

I’m so frustrated with the Democratic Party, Trump should have been relatively easy to defeat but now it’s very uncertain.

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From what I heard on our news here the Vice President isn't very popular. Or can they choose somebody else. They need to do something fairly quickly.

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BruFord · 13/07/2024 21:04

cupcaske123 · 13/07/2024 19:31

I don't agree at all and think she's getting a very hard time. Biden is very stubborn, has a big ego and has wanted to be president for a very long time. He has a team around him, propping him up, it's naive to think he's unilaterally making decisions. I doubt there's much Jill can do except support him. He's evidently not going to step aside without a fight.

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My DH and I were talking about the situation earlier and commenting that Trump’s court cases and guilty verdict now seem like old news here in the US, everyone’s focusing on Biden’s gaffes.

I’m so frustrated with the Democratic Party, Trump should have been relatively easy to defeat but now it’s very uncertain.

cupcaske123 · 13/07/2024 19:55

Viviennemary · 13/07/2024 19:50

I can see your point on this. And I suppose its all guess work. Biden obviously doesn't want to step down and maybe she thinks it would look pretty bad if she didn't support him in public. Its a mess whatever way you look at it. My bet is he will step down.

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It's an utter shit fest. He hasn't been found to be lacking capacity and unlike the UK, there's no such thing as a vote of no confidence. He's refusing to step aside and he's causing quite the consternation.

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Viviennemary · 13/07/2024 19:50

cupcaske123 · 13/07/2024 19:31

I don't agree at all and think she's getting a very hard time. Biden is very stubborn, has a big ego and has wanted to be president for a very long time. He has a team around him, propping him up, it's naive to think he's unilaterally making decisions. I doubt there's much Jill can do except support him. He's evidently not going to step aside without a fight.

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I can see your point on this. And I suppose its all guess work. Biden obviously doesn't want to step down and maybe she thinks it would look pretty bad if she didn't support him in public. Its a mess whatever way you look at it. My bet is he will step down.

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cupcaske123 · 13/07/2024 19:31

Viviennemary · 13/07/2024 19:28

I absolutely agree about Jill Biden. She is very attractive and obviously loves being first lady. And she isn't going to give that up without a fight.

I don't agree at all and think she's getting a very hard time. Biden is very stubborn, has a big ego and has wanted to be president for a very long time. He has a team around him, propping him up, it's naive to think he's unilaterally making decisions. I doubt there's much Jill can do except support him. He's evidently not going to step aside without a fight.

Cinocino · 13/07/2024 19:30

I’m still cringing after watching clips from that debate. It’s insane that he’s been allowed to run! Too many people behind the scenes who are rubbing their hands together at being able to run the show under Biden. But surely they realise the damage they’re doing??
You know it’s bad when he was making Trump come across as the serious candidate!

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Viviennemary · 13/07/2024 19:28

I absolutely agree about Jill Biden. She is very attractive and obviously loves being first lady. And she isn't going to give that up without a fight.

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awaynboilyurheid · 13/07/2024 19:25

heldinadream · 30/06/2024 10:53

I used to think Jill Biden was intelligent and dignified. I'm afraid my view of her has taken a massive nosedive in the last couple of days.

My mum always said Jill Biden loves the limelight and I was like noooo she’s lovely, sadly now I think it’s true.

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Viviennemary · 13/07/2024 19:16

It's over a month since I started this thread. And things have gone from bad to worse. Every day I expect his withdrawal as a candidate. Surely things are beyond crisis point now. Calling the President of Ukraine President Putin. Can things get any worse. But I do agree sometimes Biden speaks well and lucidly. I think Trump has more or less won whatever they do.

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Viviennemary · 30/06/2024 23:06

1dayatatime · 28/06/2024 10:47

@cupcaske123

"It's crazy that in a country with a population of 333 million,these two are the best they can come up with."

I would add that in a country of 67 million it's crazy that the best they can offer to be PM is Sunak or Starmer.

I think we are witnessing the slow decline of democracy as a form of government.

What stands out in my mind is the quote by Alexander Tytler in the late 1700s and the Tytler Cycle

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

And the dreadful Truss was the best the Tories could come up with. She was worse than Biden and Trump. I don't think that much of Stammer. So am going off the idea of voting Labour though I had made up my mind I was going to a week or two ago.

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ThatLovingTurtle · 30/06/2024 22:32

Biden’s Family Tells Him to Keep Fighting as They Huddle at Camp David

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-democrats.html

kiddietaxi · 30/06/2024 17:14

User135644 · 30/06/2024 15:15

They might be but the American people won't and he'll lose the election.

4 more years of Trump because of Democrat nonsense.

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I agree. If he stays, it will cost the democrats the election.

ThatLovingTurtle · 30/06/2024 15:33

Maybe they don't care about the American public but care more about not losing their jobs if Biden steps down. It's possible. There's a lot of power at the top of all political parties that some people enjoy.

Anyway if Trump does win, and there's still no absolute guarantee of that, the Dems will work on gaining control of the House and retaining Senate thus limiting Trump. There's more to US politics than who actually sits in the Oval Office.

User135644 · 30/06/2024 15:15

ThatLovingTurtle · 30/06/2024 15:11

I bet he'll stay. He's been very frail mentally and physically for a while now so clearly someone else/a senior team are really looking after the majority of Presidential affairs and they're happy to keep it going.

Let's see.

They might be but the American people won't and he'll lose the election.

4 more years of Trump because of Democrat nonsense.

ThatLovingTurtle · 30/06/2024 15:11

I bet he'll stay. He's been very frail mentally and physically for a while now so clearly someone else/a senior team are really looking after the majority of Presidential affairs and they're happy to keep it going.

Let's see.

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Viviennemary · 30/06/2024 14:59

Apparently Biden has retreated to Camp David to think over the campaign. I bet he stands down in the next week or so.

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YYURYYUCICYYUR4ME · 30/06/2024 14:57

BruFord · 28/06/2024 17:31

@YYURYYUCICYYUR4ME I think much of it is the amount of money that candidates need to run, plus the sheer brutality of American politics today.

Someone in my neighborhood ran for a city council seat and received personal threats. He was also torn to shreds online. He says that he’s never running for anything again and this was just the local council!

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Yep, money definitely is the issue. I understand the abuse on line too, as the world seems to be more brutal the more the virtual becomes the norm for communication - it allows appalling behaviour to hide!

Bouledeneige · 30/06/2024 11:41

I agree my opinion of Jill has plummeted too. It's ridiculous to lie to him and cheerlead for him - an indulgence the US cannot afford. Biden is driven by the belief that he is the only man who can defeat Trump, having done it before. But if he loses - which he surely will after that performance - he will blight his not inconsiderable career and track record - when he could be leaving the stage with dignity and respect. Because he would be doing what's right for the nation.

heldinadream · 30/06/2024 10:53

I used to think Jill Biden was intelligent and dignified. I'm afraid my view of her has taken a massive nosedive in the last couple of days.

poetryandwine · 30/06/2024 08:58

Viviennemary · 30/06/2024 08:41

I think his wife must take some of the blame. I saw a press review programme last night and a commentator was saying this. 'His wife encouraged him as if he was a primary schoolchild.' And not President of arguably the most powerful country in the world. I reckon he will be replaced. Its just getting too embarrassing.

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I saw the clip where she did this. I generally think she is terrific but it was indeed reminiscent of a teacher with a young child. Cringe

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Viviennemary · 30/06/2024 08:41

I think his wife must take some of the blame. I saw a press review programme last night and a commentator was saying this. 'His wife encouraged him as if he was a primary schoolchild.' And not President of arguably the most powerful country in the world. I reckon he will be replaced. Its just getting too embarrassing.

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