Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

I honestly think he’ll be dead by the election if he doesn’t stand aside. The stress and workload can’t be good for him.

I don't think it matters what the diagnosis is, the performances we've seen lately have made it clear he isn't fit to lead. It's not fair to anyone for him to continue

That's pure speculation though isn't it? His presentation could well be due to old age. Being in that job, at that age, is crazy really.

What are you talking about?

He may have had a slight stroke or TIA in recent times I suppose, causing cognitive and motor impairment. Think it's called multi-infarct dementia.

There's another factor to consider. Biden didn't have a conventional campaign last time round:

In 2020, Biden kept a low profile as the spread of COVID-19 caused havoc to most aspects of American life, including the election campaign that pitted him against then-President Donald Trump, a Republican.

Trump still spoke at big rallies, but Biden did much of his campaigning virtually from the basement of his home in Wilmington, Delaware, largely avoiding crowds to prevent the spread of disease and reduce his own risk of catching the virus.

Also to add on the Parkinson’s theory, one puts it very well, he says with dementia when the lights go out, they stay out, but with Parkinson’s they dim and then brighten. Which does appear to be what’s happening with Biden.

The fail has some doctors saying they suspect he has Parkinson’s. Which explains why he dips in and out, his face has a mask like quality and he’s suffering falls. None diagnosing but all saying that’s what he’s displaying symptoms of.

sometjing is wrong and it clearly isn’t dementia. I know a few people in their 80s, and they present like trump (minus the arsehole behaviour) not like Biden, who is not displaying like a healthy 80 year old. It is very clear he has some form of medical condition that is causing him impairment and it is progressing.

are they hiding a medical diagnosis. If so I think that is wrong.

That’s what is being reported. You can Google it. It’s mostly trash sites that are at the top of the Google searches - but I read something in May that was from a respectable media publication.

My understanding is he’s made a choice rather than have surgical intervention.

My concern is neither is fit to lead.

I also recall when Hillary & Trump were battling for the Presidency the Trump campaign really pushed the narrative that Hillary wasn’t physically or mentally fit to lead.

There was a lot of footage of her various ailments and Trump was marketing himself as someone in peak physical health. It was very convincing.

But something to be mindful of is the gruelling schedule leading up to the election. There’s media, meeting donors, travelling across the entire country meeting voters - a normal person would find it difficult.

Biden’s decline has been happening for some time but it has clearly accelerated to the point where he’s not even there any more. The fact this is even a thread on this page (and some people had no idea about other politicians) indicates to me that a lot of people are waking up.

Just watched the full debate , this part was awful.
It was like Biden was falling asleep as he was talking , the way he lost his train of thought .

Right so. You're reading some very interesting articles. In any case, at least his shit comes out of the hole it's supposed to. Unlike that other prick.

@DanielGault could care less about any holes.

No. Unfit because he chooses not to manage it appropriately and is happy to allow people to sit in the stink rather than change his clothes.

The articles indicate he looses control of his bowels frequently throughout the day and won't change until he's told to because it doesn't bother him. That's what I'd expect in a nursing home. He's also above retirement age for most people. So perhaps yes I am.

Anyway, I'm bored now. Find someone else to play with.

HRC, Bill Clinton, nor Biden never indicated that they believed Putin over the CIA. Trump flat-out admitted in a press conference that he believed what Putin told him over what the CIA told him. This is beyond alarming.

I watched the debate and listened to what Trump said about Putin. He was very careful not to say a disparaging word about Vlad.

You're digging a hole for yourself here. He's not fit to be president because he has a medical condition?

Imagine potentially never being able to vote for a new president in your lifetime

Well there are plenty in exactly that position, @Dollybird, but most are in failed states and/or dictatorships and whatever it's faults America isn''t there yet!!

On a lighter note it's a shame the guy who used to do those skits "The Room Next Door" seems to have stopped (I think?) Granted there's not much to laugh about here, but I imagine he'd have had fun with last night

I don’t think it would have gone like that, there would have been more dialogue and maybe Trump would have influenced NATO and the EU to give Russia the security guarantees that they requested, I don’t believe that Russia initially wanted to take over the breakaway territories, let alone the whole of Ukraine. But I guess we’ll never know.

The other thing of course is that when people say Trump is Putin’s puppet they forget that the Clintons were extremely close to Putin, Bill said he’s someone who you can work with, and Hillary sold him god knows how much yellowcake. The Bidens were up to their necks in Ukraine as well of course

@DanielGault I've clarified now haven't I?

However, having just browsed Reddit for links and info, I'd suggest the manner in which he manages his condition and the odour people are claiming has followed him since at least his Apprentice days... maybe he shouldn't?

His staff and other heads of states, journalists etc shouldn't be forced to endure that because he chooses not to manage his condition cleanly and effectively.

If it's true that is!

Your post rather implies that such a condition makes him unfit for the job.

@DanielGault he's not unfit because of the shit. Just all the other stuff he's done. Didn't think it needed mentioning, my bad

It’s extremely worrying given America’s power in the world. It’s actually making me slightly worried. Either of them winning. Dems need a new candidate fast.

Harris is massively unpopular. They would be mad to put her forward.

Thanks! Interesting that some initially wanted the presidency to be for life. Imagine potentially never being able to vote for a new president in your lifetime.

Trump is a c**t, but why would that particular condition preclude him from president if managed appropriately?

Indeed, and here it’s not about his condition in November 2024, it’s how he is in November 2028 - he’s “finger on the button” until then.

I feel like we’re doomed to terrible candidates in the UK and US because you’d need to be quite mad to want to do that these days.

What?!

So effectively he's walking around shitting himself? Gosh. I had no idea about this.

Biden also clearly unable to lead.

Wtf is happening.