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Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

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molotovcupcakes · 28/06/2024 07:10

Biden looked so frail and incoherant at times that this must be the end of his Presidency very soon.
How have the Democrats not faced this sooner and selected someone else, I don't understand why they have let this go on for so long.
He had to be helped off the stage by his wife and it seems like elder abuse.

www.politico.com/video/2024/06/28/jill-biden-escorts-joe-biden-off-stage-after-first-presidential-debate-1346575

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DanielGault · 30/06/2024 15:31

HRTQueen · 30/06/2024 15:23

Trumps support is well established we know this it doesn’t matter what he says he will still have the support of millions of voters

if Michelle Obama were to put herself forward firstly it will be addressed she has no political office experience, she was married to an ex president and that is why we know her and the absolute onslaught she will receive and we know what it will be, why would she put herself and her family through this (again and it would be worse) she is too good a person to have to deal with that

maybe in the future if she goes into politics she would be a great candidate but she has always been very clear that she has no intention to

They need someone with experience in office

But did Barack have lots of experience before he went in? They're both experienced lawyers and I assume she's well acquainted with the white house now. She's not a crazy proposition by any means.

HRTQueen · 30/06/2024 15:23

Trumps support is well established we know this it doesn’t matter what he says he will still have the support of millions of voters

if Michelle Obama were to put herself forward firstly it will be addressed she has no political office experience, she was married to an ex president and that is why we know her and the absolute onslaught she will receive and we know what it will be, why would she put herself and her family through this (again and it would be worse) she is too good a person to have to deal with that

maybe in the future if she goes into politics she would be a great candidate but she has always been very clear that she has no intention to

They need someone with experience in office

DanielGault · 30/06/2024 15:09

RoseUnder · 30/06/2024 15:08

Michelle Obama isn't, sadly, a viable candidate in any sense.

She's never in her life run for office or been elected! I absolutely adore her and think she's amazing, wonderful role model, but I don't think she has the credentials to be POTUS. I think people just mention her because she has such high name recognition in relation to the White House. You might as well say Taylor Swift should be parachuted in...

Trump?

RoseUnder · 30/06/2024 15:08

Michelle Obama isn't, sadly, a viable candidate in any sense.

She's never in her life run for office or been elected! I absolutely adore her and think she's amazing, wonderful role model, but I don't think she has the credentials to be POTUS. I think people just mention her because she has such high name recognition in relation to the White House. You might as well say Taylor Swift should be parachuted in...

kagidoj · 30/06/2024 14:07

TmFid · 29/06/2024 19:11

I think both of them and their shocking desperation to prove their loyalty to genocidal Israel, combined with the appalling, racist dehumanisation of Palestinians by the fat, corrupt Trump, was shameful. The only winners, whichever one of these senile, evil, old bastards wins, will be Israel, which totally control American politicians.

yay, more the jews control politics shit.

leamington66 · 30/06/2024 14:07

there is a long running story in the US that the democrats will parachute in Michelle Obama. Let’s just see.
Trump with Starmer is a marriage made in hell so Michelle would be a much better option but unlikely.

Sugartreemumma · 30/06/2024 13:42

https://www.ft.com/content/743d91b8-df8d-11e5-b67f-a61732c1d025
This is also worth a read / reread
'Donald Trump embodies how great republics meet their end'

Sugartreemumma · 30/06/2024 13:09

https://www.ft.com/content/6493fc4d-6973-421d-bb6e-78a4a73b66a4

I found this podcast series interesting and listened to the last episode earlier today where Martin Wolf discusses the implications of a second trump presidency.
I'm thinking about buying his book but wondering if the money would be better invested in a bottle of whiskey and a revolver.

Sloejelly · 30/06/2024 12:38

one so extreme that it is scary

Not sure you can get much more extreme than declaring men can be women and having a personally vested health secretary pushing (successfully) against evidence to remove all age limits on extreme surgery and drugs that sterilise and harms children.

Nanaof1 · 30/06/2024 12:37

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/06/2024 10:21

Truee, but then as with earpieces I'd have thought using a teleprompter would would confusing for anyone who's senses were frittering - I found it hard enough and I'm (more or less!!) in command of mine

Maybe PPs have a point about Parkinsons, where it tends to wax and wane, and neurological screening was notable by its absence in Biden's latest medical report which was published in February

Even reading off a teleprompter is difficult for Biden at times. He has screwed it up more than a few times.

Nanaof1 · 30/06/2024 12:31

dragonmumof2 · 30/06/2024 11:21

Americans don't like Kamala because she's an idiot. Listen to her speak(on the rare occasion she shows up for anything to do so) She's as useful as tits on a turtle with the same IQ. Her being a woman of color doesn't factor in much after that. Obama lost his sparkle when he ran on a platform of improving schools and communities for people of color with limited resources. He failed big time and immediately abandoned his promises as soon as elected so his words won't carry weight like they used to. From Hunter Bidens crack pipes and illegal "art deals", to bidens rasict comments everyone pretends he never said, to trumps sex scandal and so forth. It all plays out like reality TV.

And many, many of us want voted off the island!

I agree with what you said above also. One can have a degree, even a law degree, and still be an idiot. One can have a high IQ but have a common sense IQ of 50, or not as high of an IQ but a common sense IQ of 155. The US has shown that time and again.

Nanaof1 · 30/06/2024 12:22

SquirrelSoShiny · 28/06/2024 07:33

I skimmed the headlines and, like you, I don't want to see any more. I don't understand how the Democrats have reached this point but I think they have been so obsessed with ideologies that they took their eye off the ball.

We have friends and family in USA on both sides of the political spectrum and they are all afraid of what November will bring, mostly the fear is around civil dissent. But they all think Trump will get in, no one believes Biden will, not even the Democrat supporters.

This is the first election where not only is it a choice of "the lesser of two weevils", but a choice where the citizens can't win either way.

You would think, in a country our size, with our population, there would be two candidates better suited for us all. The two parties have gotten off on such a tangent, with one so extreme that it is scary and one that threatens to become as extreme the opposite way. We need a third party that could be a mix of conservative and liberal, without the extreme views/goals on either side. Sadly, the two main parties will never let it happen.

I love my country, but we have screwed the pooch with these two as choices.
I am flummoxed that the PTB and many people don't seem to WANT better candidates. Tweedledee and Tweedledum would be a better choice now, instead of the cast of Dumb and Dumber.
I have never been so disappointed in an upcoming election and what the after-effects will be. The puppet masters are setting us all up and turning the US into a Humpty Dumpty. Now just have to hope we have enough super-glue to put it back together after it shatters.

My vote won't count, except to me, because I will vote third party or Independent, again.

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/06/2024 11:49

dragonmumof2 · Today 11:21
Americans don't like Kamala because she's an idiot. Listen to her speak(on the rare occasion she shows up for anything to do so) She's as useful as tits on a turtle with the same IQ”

Don’t be foolish. Anyone graduating with a law degree from Howard clearly does not have a low IQ, whatever else their failings may or may not be.

dragonmumof2 · 30/06/2024 11:21

Americans don't like Kamala because she's an idiot. Listen to her speak(on the rare occasion she shows up for anything to do so) She's as useful as tits on a turtle with the same IQ. Her being a woman of color doesn't factor in much after that. Obama lost his sparkle when he ran on a platform of improving schools and communities for people of color with limited resources. He failed big time and immediately abandoned his promises as soon as elected so his words won't carry weight like they used to. From Hunter Bidens crack pipes and illegal "art deals", to bidens rasict comments everyone pretends he never said, to trumps sex scandal and so forth. It all plays out like reality TV.

CosFuckThatGuy · 30/06/2024 08:42

I sincerely hope that behind the scenes, Obama is singing a very different song.

AgnesX · 30/06/2024 07:54

likethislikethat · 29/06/2024 21:29

You are insane if you actually think this.

I really, really hope you're right.

freshbluesnow · 30/06/2024 07:37

RavenhairedRachel · 29/06/2024 22:02

He's an absolute joke he looks like a thunderbirds puppet. He looks like his carer has taken him out for the day. What I can't get my head around is in a country as big as America why are Biden and Trump the only candidates it's abysmal.

Unnecessarily rude.

Here's Barack Obama on Biden:

“Bad debate nights happen. Trust me, I know,” Obama, 62, wrote on X Friday afternoon, referring to his infamous lacklustre debate against Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney in 2012. “But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself. Between someone who tells the truth; who knows right from wrong and will give it to the American people straight and someone who lies through his teeth for his own benefit. Last night didn’t change that, and it’s why so much is at stake in November.”

likethislikethat · 30/06/2024 02:04

RavenhairedRachel · 29/06/2024 22:02

He's an absolute joke he looks like a thunderbirds puppet. He looks like his carer has taken him out for the day. What I can't get my head around is in a country as big as America why are Biden and Trump the only candidates it's abysmal.

It sort of requires you to understand something, perhaps anything, about USA politics and their political parties.

There's a 4 year degree course at Leeds University if you qualify for entry but it is quite prestigious.

RavenhairedRachel · 29/06/2024 22:02

He's an absolute joke he looks like a thunderbirds puppet. He looks like his carer has taken him out for the day. What I can't get my head around is in a country as big as America why are Biden and Trump the only candidates it's abysmal.

TillyMSF · 29/06/2024 21:54

Inmydreams88 · 29/06/2024 21:31

Unless he drops out I don’t think they can replace him this late?

Ultimately if Trump wins we will be verging on WW3 territory. He will leave NATO, stop aid to Ukraine, Putin will be emboldened and start invading other countries. It could end badly for Europe.

Yes, he can be replaced at the Democratic Convention in August. I don't know what happened to Kamala. She's made public speaking gaffes and is largely absent in the media.

Trump can still blow it with his choice for VP. It'll be a tough call. He doesn't want a moderate, another Pence, or an extremist kook like Marjorie Taylor Green to turn off moderates and the undecided. Hoping and praying he picks someone loyal but loco en la cabeza.

Sloejelly · 29/06/2024 21:46

DanielGault · 29/06/2024 20:50

They're not going to do anything without the money and party machines behind them though. Probably running to highlight a single issue.

No, but a better way of objecting to the main candidates than abstaining.

nomoretoriesforme · 29/06/2024 21:45

Inmydreams88 · 29/06/2024 21:31

Unless he drops out I don’t think they can replace him this late?

Ultimately if Trump wins we will be verging on WW3 territory. He will leave NATO, stop aid to Ukraine, Putin will be emboldened and start invading other countries. It could end badly for Europe.

Chill.. Russia doesn't have capacity for that. They won't go after NATO country.

Inmydreams88 · 29/06/2024 21:31

Unless he drops out I don’t think they can replace him this late?

Ultimately if Trump wins we will be verging on WW3 territory. He will leave NATO, stop aid to Ukraine, Putin will be emboldened and start invading other countries. It could end badly for Europe.

likethislikethat · 29/06/2024 21:29

AgnesX · 28/06/2024 07:19

It's heartbreaking. The Republicans are likely to win as a default.

I'm so sorry for America (especially as Trump is being influenced by the obnoxious Farage and all that he stands for).

You are insane if you actually think this.

Coco1379 · 29/06/2024 20:50

Their choice is as poor as ours - only ours are younger!