Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

Yes, the theory is that he is the only person to have beaten Trump.

I said that he feels he is the only person who can beat Trump. Whether that is true is another matter.

What's going on with the party in general though? It's like they're determined to sink themselves?

I haven’t seen the debate
but the strangest thing of all to me is that Jill, who seems very sharp, isn’t able to persuade him to stand aside
At this stage surely almost anyone would be a better call than Biden
The USA is not short of talented individuals. Is there really not anyone else out there capable of beating trump? It’s nuts

He mumbles, he always has. Not sure if that makes him incoherent. Neither Trump or Biden are good options, surely a country as huge as the US has better options than two men who should have retired over a decade ago

To be fair, my son lives out there. Harris is not popular - not because she’s black, she’s just seen as totally ineffective, with little idea of what she is supposed to be doing.

If they parachuted Michelle Obama in, it’s predicted that they would win by a landslide - even though she is a black female.

That kind of is an impossible task alright. It's been there since the foundation of the state. And they need the labour anyway!

Kamala Harris is unpopular due to the double whammies of racism and misogyny. Her approval ratings according to a few articles I read are high amongst democrats but then low everywhere else. There’s been quite a bit of misinformation and fake news spread about her as well unsurprisingly. She was also given by Biden - migration and voter reform - two huge millstones around her neck that she was never going to make much impact on as it’s probably going to take years.

I think all the people saying “is Biden the best the democrats could offer” are getting it wrong. He’s not the best, many of them know that, but because he refused to step down, they either had to let him run or attempt to force him out. The latter would have been awful, and the worry was that the infighting would have lost them the election.

Can only hope that he (and Jill, I suspect the more important decision maker is his wife) now realised he is going to lose the election, so he should step aside for someone else to have a chance. There is no mechanism to force him out now, but he can step aside.

This x 1000

You need enough money behind you to get on the primary election ballot, where the nominees are elected. Then the public vote for who the Republican and Democratic nominees will be.

I only caught some of the footage but it made me feel really queasy. He's so obviously confused. It felt like cruelty parading him like that.

Kamala Harris was given the illegal immigration brief and it’s been a disaster. She’s seen as ineffectual and weak. I genuinely don’t believe it is to do with race or gender - it’s that she was given an impossible task and hasn’t performed.

Pity.

Trump is a convicted felon. He shouldn't even be campaigning. Biden, bless 'im, needs to retire. How can such a large and powerful nation not be able to put forward better candidates is a mystery to me.

Michelle has said that she will never enter politics.

I'm only a very casual observer, but she seems to have been quite low Vis as a VP. Is there a reason for that? It seems like missing an opportunity to get herself out there? Or maybe I just haven't seen her.

He won the Republican primary election at the ballot box. The people choose the nominee. The system is not at all like the UK system.

It's exactly his lack of interest in foreign policy that makes war more likely. He might favour a withdrawal from Europe (thus increasing the threat from Russia); he might also look to appease Putin at the expense of Ukraine/CEE. And let's not mention potentially aggressive trade wars with Europe when it comes to LNG. Trump won't be good for Europe or peace in Europe I don't think

Oh yes! She would be amazing.

The only hope then is that the orange toddler goes to jail?

If I could wave a magic wand, the next US president would be Michelle Obama. The last thing that the world needs is a Trump win.

Do you guys know how the electoral system works in the US? Each state holds a Republican primary election and a Democratic primary election. That winner is on the ballot. Biden won the 2024 Democratic nomination fair and square. You can’t overturn the results just because you don’t like them. It’s not the British system—there is no ousting of leaders outside of the ballot box.

"And then we are pretty much guaranteed WWIII. I am so angry the democrats didn’t find another candidate and angry with Biden for not stepping down. Trump will be an utter disaster for the world, not just America. Why hasn’t Biden retired? When he’s on top form he’s great but he’s clearly struggling. He’s the safest option though because he will have a team of good people around him advising him. Trump will only have sycophants."

I'm no Trump supporter but don't his supporters say that that's the one thing that stands in Trumps favour? That he's not interested in world politics and no interest in war so there wouldn't be ww3.

I genuinely don't understand why the democrats don't have another candidate now seeing as Biden is clearly unfit for this role now. But I suppose people are voting for ideology.

Some woman on NBC just said 'i do think a lot lot of beds are wetting tonight and pearls being clutched'. I'd say she's not wrong!