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Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

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molotovcupcakes · 28/06/2024 07:10

Biden looked so frail and incoherant at times that this must be the end of his Presidency very soon.
How have the Democrats not faced this sooner and selected someone else, I don't understand why they have let this go on for so long.
He had to be helped off the stage by his wife and it seems like elder abuse.

www.politico.com/video/2024/06/28/jill-biden-escorts-joe-biden-off-stage-after-first-presidential-debate-1346575

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Sugartreemumma · 01/07/2024 12:34

Trump will turn the USA into North Korea. One rich fat man ruling over a nation of impoverished half starved citizens too weak to overthrow him.
If he gets in his first priority will be to make sure he can never be voted out again.

Sugartreemumma · 30/06/2024 23:05

Surely Trump's main appeal to his backers is that he is a useful idiot?

TempestTost · 30/06/2024 22:32

In terms of a black female candidate for president, I think someone like Condoleeza Rice is much more plausible than someone like Harris - she's experienced in politics at a high level, is well respected, good name recognition, and very capable. Not a Democrat though. But I don't think she's got any interest in the job in any case.

CelesteCunningham · 30/06/2024 22:07

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 30/06/2024 21:37

@CelesteCunningham that actually sounds like what she was doing when she worked in administration at a Chicago hospital. Not a global stage of course.

That's not enough to take on the presidency, nowhere near enough. I think she'd be more than capable if she wanted it, but she'd need to do a Hillary and do some time in the house or in the cabinet.

Dontevenlookatme · 30/06/2024 21:54

My DF’s Parkinson’s manifested itself just like this. The debate took place in the evening when Biden might have been sundowning. His very quiet speech, tailing off at the end of a sentence, starting coherently but losing his thread and petering out into silence, all very recognisable Parkinson traits.

The following day he addressed a rally where he was absolutely present, coherent, audible and articulate. Again, very recognisable.

The question American voters have to ask is whether they would prefer a President with failing health who makes sense most of the time but will need a good support system, or one who shouts and blusters but makes no sense at all.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 30/06/2024 21:37

@CelesteCunningham that actually sounds like what she was doing when she worked in administration at a Chicago hospital. Not a global stage of course.

TheMerryTiger · 30/06/2024 21:31

But haven't we got our own dilemma next week? Rock and hard place I think.
We've had 25 years of labour in Wales who have done absolutely nothing for the country - but at the same time we've had the conservatives for God knows how long who have done very little for the UK - I have no idea who to vote for

CelesteCunningham · 30/06/2024 20:31

Michelle Obama is a remarkable woman and I think she would make an excellent politician - but she isn't a politician and has no real relevant experience for the job. Part of the reason she's so popular is that she's never had to stand in front of a group of people and explain to them that she isn't funding their cause because she finds another more deserving. She's never had to publicly make the tough calls. She's capable of it, don't get me wrong, but she has chosen not to put herself in that position and who can blame her.

Barack was lightning in a bottle - a politician with enough intelligence and dignity to take the job seriously but also enough charisma to win over the crowds like that! We only need to look at our own election to see how hard it is to find a personality like that. And he was Black! But the Right Kind Of Black who grew up with a white family - other Black politicians will have a much harder time in such a racist electorate.

Michelle isn't the answer, but it's horrific that among all their congressmen, senators and governors the Democrats can't find a better prospect to take on Trump.

TmFid · 30/06/2024 20:09

kagidoj · 30/06/2024 14:07

yay, more the jews control politics shit.

How utterly deluded do you have to be to have completely failed to notice that every “successful” US politician is AIPAC endorsed. If you’re not supporting genocidal Israel, you don’t stand a chance of getting ahead politically in the vast majority of US states! Look at the millions AIPAC spent trying to unseat Jamal Bowman, who dared to criticise the Gaza genocide.

UnfriendMe · 30/06/2024 20:02

Sugartreemumma · 29/06/2024 14:45

Abstaining the best message??
The message that you send to those in power when you abstain from voting is 'do what you like we don't care'
Power corrupts; letting those in power know that you're not even watching them tells them they can get away with anything they like.

Exactly this. Abstaining is the cowardly thing to do. It has been proven time and time again that the larger the voter turnout is, the more likely democrats are to win BC despite what people say, most Americans are more liberal and left leaning than not. The trump voting dipshits might get more airtime but that does not mean that they are the majority.

UnfriendMe · 30/06/2024 19:49

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AhNowTed · 30/06/2024 18:42

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 30/06/2024 17:47

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Michelle ran.

Imo there's no way Barack would have been elected if he wasn't half white, but maybe the US is ready now. However, she deserves a dignified campaign, not being a last minute replacement.

"Imo there's no way Barack would have been elected if he wasn't half white"

Sad as it is, and Barack Obama is an exceptional man, I tend to agree with this.

deeahgwitch · 30/06/2024 18:42

Forget about a dignified campaign if needs must @CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 30/06/2024 17:47

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Michelle ran.

Imo there's no way Barack would have been elected if he wasn't half white, but maybe the US is ready now. However, she deserves a dignified campaign, not being a last minute replacement.

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DanielGault · 30/06/2024 16:38

Sloejelly · 30/06/2024 16:24

But do we know anything about Michelle’s political beliefs?

I'm assuming she's a democrat and not a sex pest. That's a win! (But as I say, assume!)

RoseUnder · 30/06/2024 16:25

Bedofroses85 · 30/06/2024 16:05

What is the evidence of this? How did Obama get elected then? Sure this demonstrates racism is not a factor to stop a black candidate being elected?

Obama didn't just appear from nowhere and walk into the Presidency. He was preparing for decades... he was elected as Senator for Illinois back in 1997, after a successful career as a lawyer and an academic (teaching constitutional law at a renowned University), and all kinds of community leadership + activism roles, including in the church. He didn't run for President until 2009.

His wins in 2009 and 2012 showed certain swaths of America could just about vote for a black man as President, if he was exceptional, which Barack Obama is. There are plausible arguments that Trump only succeeded in 2016 as a backlash to Obama. Don't underestimate how strong racism still is in the US, and it is growing (especially thanks to all the oxygen Trump has given it). I think it'd now be even harder for a black man to get elected as President, and even harder for a black woman. It's a horrible thing.

Sloejelly · 30/06/2024 16:24

DanielGault · 30/06/2024 15:51

I have his book beside the bed, I should really read it 🙄 but still I think Michelle has spent enough time knocking around the corridors of power that she's a safe pair of hands. And they elected the orange buffoon, with nothing to recommend him. So a lack of political experience doesn't seem to be an obstacle!

But do we know anything about Michelle’s political beliefs?

RoseUnder · 30/06/2024 16:20

runningpram · 30/06/2024 16:03

Could someone explain why Kamala H is so unpopular- is it just pure racism and sexism or something else going on?

  1. Unsuccessful (at least that's the public perception)
  2. Not influential
  3. Weak brand recognition (in the US and abroad)
  4. Woman
  5. Woman of colour
SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 30/06/2024 16:12

Could someone explain why Kamala H is so unpopular-

I thought it was because she was given soem difficult area to do something with - like border controls which have't gone well but PP have said she doesn't seem to come across well in speeches.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60061473

This suggest it was the tough assignments ( instead of being built up and put in place to run she was given the impossible tasks) but also more there's been fair bit of staff turn over under her as well.

Kamala Harris speaking

Kamala Harris one year: Where did it go wrong for her?

Will the first female vice-president be remembered for making history - or go down as a historic footnote?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60061473

HRTQueen · 30/06/2024 16:11

Yes Barak Obama had been a senator

Bedofroses85 · 30/06/2024 16:05

EstellaWaitHereForMe · 28/06/2024 07:52

Because America would never vote for a black woman in the majority; they know, sadly, that a white man struggling to do the job still has a better chance than her.

What is the evidence of this? How did Obama get elected then? Sure this demonstrates racism is not a factor to stop a black candidate being elected?

runningpram · 30/06/2024 16:03

Could someone explain why Kamala H is so unpopular- is it just pure racism and sexism or something else going on?

DanielGault · 30/06/2024 15:51

Watercoloursky · 30/06/2024 15:46

Barack was a senator for years, I think - the presidential campaign wasn't his first foray into politics.

I have his book beside the bed, I should really read it 🙄 but still I think Michelle has spent enough time knocking around the corridors of power that she's a safe pair of hands. And they elected the orange buffoon, with nothing to recommend him. So a lack of political experience doesn't seem to be an obstacle!

Watercoloursky · 30/06/2024 15:46

DanielGault · 30/06/2024 15:31

But did Barack have lots of experience before he went in? They're both experienced lawyers and I assume she's well acquainted with the white house now. She's not a crazy proposition by any means.

Barack was a senator for years, I think - the presidential campaign wasn't his first foray into politics.