Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

Apparently he has a cold. You can hear that in his voice.

I'm sure, at his age, it would be difficult to respond quickly in a televised debate environment like this. I personally don't think he has dementia - I do believe these claims are made too easily - but he is showing his age. A younger President would be better, as long as it wasn't Trump.

There is solid evidence of Russia using social media to stoke division and instability in the UK and they interfered with the last election. I have no doubt China and Russia both use technology to try to destabilise the UK and most likely other countries.

Not "warry" - in the sense not getting involved so Ukraine would have fallen.

Whats next, China invades Taiwan...

"Much of the world's electronics - from phones to electric cars - are powered by computer chips made in Taiwan. By one measure, a single Taiwanese company - the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company or TSMC - has over half of the world's market.
So if China takes the island, it could be freer to project power in the western Pacific and rival the US. Beijing would also have control over an industry that drive the global economy."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-59900139

vs someone who should be in a care home. A care home isn't a repository for older people to hide them from your sight. Biden may no longer be capable of presidency but there's no evidence that he can't either cope or be cared for in the community.

Wasn't Trump the least warry POTUS for some time? (Measured in terms of wars started and bombs dropped?) He also made an attempt at reproachment with Russia, if he had won a second term there might not be war in Ukraine.

Yes! Why can't she? I've been wondering that.
I had reasonably high hopes for her but she just seemed to disappear.

@GiveMeSpanakopita yes - two insightful posts there. I think you’re spot on.

I suspect we’re the same generation - and we have taken things for granted.

These internal debates were happening within the Democratic Party before the primary elections in March:

1. Biden is the only person who has ever beaten trump.
2. Historically, whenever there was a big push to rally the troops and get a serious contender to go up against a sitting president within their own party, the contender never won against the current president to secure the nomination. And the internal strife/televised debates/energy spent arguing internally within their own party/etc caused so much damage to the current president, that once it came to the actual election, they lost.

From the youtube clip I have just seen Biden looks to be getting his information from his earpiece - reminiscent of Ronald Reagan.

It was sad to see Biden looking so incoherent and obviously unwell. I might be judging him unfairly, and I might be wrong, but he looks like he has dementia. He couldn't string a sentence together clearly.

I don't think there's any weird forces, I just think that if you don't look after something, it deteriorates. Whether that's a house plant, your car or....democracy.

We all of us have taken democracy for granted too long and forgotten how special and unusual it is, so it's degraded.

I suppose there are 'forces' like China which I absolutely believe uses Tik Tok to enforce mental illness and vulnerability in our youth. And I am sure there are state actors messing with social media in general, to turn us against each other and make us divided and angry, which they have succeeded in doing.

But the best efforts of rival empires would fail if we had curated and cared for our democracies properly, which we haven't.

So it's mostly our fault. Mostly my generation and the one above me, not millennials and gen z.

I’ve just watched it and it’s like the Democratic politicians want Trump to win

It’s not the first. It’s the second.

I have to say that I don’t blame her. I wouldn’t either. But then we end up with power hungry egomaniacs. Obabma and a handful of other world leaders was an anomaly. I miss him and I’m not even American.

Jeeesus….

That was Grandpa Simpson vs Mr Burns.

Awful on every level and makes the UK PM debates look positively intellectual by comparison. Any US voters must be feeling pretty glum about their choices and you have to hope that the Democrats can manage to find a way to get Biden off the ticket.

I think it's a deliberate move by the Democrats. The intention is to get Biden re-elected then pass the reins over to Harris. They know full well that Harris could not get elected on her own merit because of her gender. If they chose someone other than Biden as presidential candidate who wasn't Harris they would basically be telling the American public "this Vice President isn't fit to be President" which wouldn't be a good look either. The plan is to get Biden in then medically retire him after a few months to give Harris an almost full term as president before facing (and being rejected by) the public.

Either that or they're just massively incompetent, I don't know.

It’s not that Biden is old it’s that he is simply not up to running for reelection to be president

he had opportunity after opportunity to call out Trumps lies but he wasn’t able to and he struggled to keep to his script that he would have rehearsed over and over again

it’s no good saying you are telling lies you need to back this up and he didn’t

we all know Trump isn’t suitable to be president but he is popular his lies don’t matter to many but you need someone opposing him to remind those voters who are not sure who they shall vote and even more so those voters who feel neither are worth voting for why it’s important to get out and vote against Trump

Dying empires throughout history have, in their final years, tended to be led by old, weak and mentally infirm men. Eg Soviet Union, Ottoman Empire, Han Dynasty etc etc

It's uncanny, like the empire in question is expressing its death throes in its leader.

Unlikely Biden will step down although there are a number of mechanisms in place. It would have to be before the Democrat Convention as they are so stage managed that no way would there be a revolution. No sign that Harris is looking to evoke the 25th Amendment, although she could, if she and the senior Democrats really cared about their country.

Anyway if there is a surprise and Biden does the RIGHT thing for America, then I think Gavin Newsom should be the candidate. Governor of true blue California, good record, excellent communicator, looks presidential compared with Trump. Best of all, he has all his marbles.

What do you mean?

All of this unfortunately. Why did they let Biden agree to the televised debate?! I am sure that Jill could’ve stopped him.

I could accept the US shooting itself in the foot for electing Trump but it will be such an utter disaster for the world. When Trump was president last time one of his first acts was to withdraw federal funding for any agency offering terminations and then to ban the words ‘climate change’ from all EPA documents. There was a reason that the Koch brothers (now brother) supported him as do/did all major oil producers. He also withdrew the US from WHO, UN agencies, the Paris Accord, the Iran nuclear deal etc. He will stop all funding to the Ukraine but I don’t think he will stop weapons to Israel, though who ever he appoints as Secretary of State is sure to be despicable.

A Trump presidency this time around will be a disaster for the world. Last time the Generals had some control. He won’t allow that to happen this time.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but…

I feel that there are forces against democracy at play in Europe and the US that we just don’t understand.

What a sorry state of affairs

America surely needs a “virile” male, late 50s/early 60s, preferably white, to stand against Trump.
He is such a risk to the entire world I can’t believe the democrats self serving has come before the good of their nation.
They should have been grooming for this for the past 5 years.

It beggers belief that the most powerful and richest country in the world have the worst possible two options for leaders.

There are over 300 million people living there, yet it’s one of these two that will be in charge. 🤯 Mind blowing

Completely agree. How is this kind of hysteria helpful? If anything a volatile, bad-tempered President is going to make America's enemies think twice before pulling any shit.