Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

Its pretty terrifying that the choice is between senility or narcissistic dishonesty.
Whole presidential race seems like a death march, waiting for one of these candidates to die or be declared mentally unfit
Two party/non proportional systems are a mockery of democracy

Well the rest of the world already know what he is like, it is very obvious. No need to watch the debate to come to that conclusion.

We all wonder what is wrong with Americans, allowing this shit show. Destroying our world.

I think people who say Harris is a likely replacement don't know much about Harris.....

Tulsi Gabbard (another woman who was formerly a US politician) said in an interview she believes Harris would take the country to war. No idea if it's true, but it made me question my assumptions about Harris.

Remember before Trump was elected, when people said he would start a nuclear war... crash the economy... ruin everything.

Seem to remember the economy was better and there was no nuclear war.

Not saying he's perfect, but at least he can put his own pants on in the morning

And you can't deny that Putin probably looks at Biden and thinks 'today would be a good day to attack'.

And looks at Trump and thinks 'This guy might be as crazy as me!'.

Neither Biden nor Trump are fit for presidency for different reasons. Biden, at least, has a good team around him though. Trump is a disaster for the US, especially women, and for the world.

What I do know is that we've seen him willing to break democracy to stay in power. Last time he failed - which to me only tells him he needs to go further this time to succeed.

Trump was held in check last time by the Generals who saw him for the amoral cunning imbecile that he is, but not this time. He has revenge on his mind for any federal justice department that prosecuted him and will pardon anyone convicted of crimes close to him and will ensure only manipulative sycophants are appointed to the WH.

Oh please, the non-democrat half of the nation would never. Remember how they stonewalled Obama for his entire 8 years in things like Garland? Another Obama, and a woman with no political career? No chance.

I work in a defence adjacent job and there's a lot of commentary about how China probably won't invade Taiwan.

They haven't got a tested army, it's notoriously hard to invade an island and while sanctions against Russia have not been completely successful, it is still enough to make them think twice.

I thought his voice sounded hoarse. It's sad because I think both he and his handlers should have realised that he clearly isn't up to the job anymore. The problem we have now is that it's impossible for him to now win re election. That leaves us with the very unpalatable prospect of Trump.

I think this illustrates perfectly why the fact you need a huge amount of financial backing to run for president is such a problem for the US. I refuse to believe that in a country with a population of 300 million that this is the best of the bunch - they're not the smartest, most innovative, or anything else; they just have money or access to it. Such an amazing country deserves better than those two corrupt muppets.

I suppose they are only the front men, the mouthpiece. Who is pulling the strings? But i agree, its terrible.

Unfortunately for the Democrats Kamala Harris isn't very popular with voters so I suspect that's why she's not being wheeled out.

Im American and I voted for Biden in 2020 thinking he would do the right thing, be a one term care taker President in order for the Democrats to get someone younger, more vibrant to the front and clean up some of the Trump mess of the prior four years. I am NOT a fan of him running again, I am NOT a fan of Kamala Harris, and honestly this whole election is a mess. I absentee vote in a swing state too - Ill vote for Biden again if I must but this is really not helping.

Perhaps an open convention, Biden stepping down, and someone new stepping in with four months to go would be enough to shake up the election as a whole. It would throw Trump off his game plan and get the right person in (and I dont mean Newsome or Harris from 'Commiefornia' its gotta be from the Midwest) and maybe that would be enough to start to sway the 10% undecideds in the middle and perhaps move some Republicans not on the MAGA train over too. I know critics say there is no consensus Dem candidate but cmon, are you REALLY going to not hold your nose and vote D whomever they come up with? At this election? I don't think so. It would quickly become the consensus candidate at any rate.

That sort of rambling has been standard from Trump since day one of his first candidacy too. What a mess.

This appears to be a MN thing right now.

If you mention something that is a counter point to anything on the thread, then you can only discuss the theme of the thread specifically.

Doesn't matter what's in the OP.

Offer relevant information in counter, and no, only the exact topic of the thread can be discussed.

I think at the start, even a year ago, Biden was stronger and more physically fit and it would’ve been with reluctance that his advisers agreed that he was the only Presidential contender that could win.

What I’m angry about is that the WH should have been grooming a replacement right from 2021. Give a possible rising star a highly visible appointment and create a positive narrative around them. Like Pete Buttigieg?

The Democrats aren't very keen on reality though. So I doubt this will be any exception.

It's ridiculous - I'm angry at both the democrats AND the republicans for not putting up better candidates. Just plucking a couple of people off the street would be better than this. It's suggests US 'democracy' is utterly corrupt and very very far removed from the original intentions.

1. Michelle said she would never do politics.
2. Lots of Americans hate Michelle. Fiercely. She’s black, a woman, and is married to the first black president. Unforgivable. The hate is strong.

Biden's handlers should be ashamed, that was elderly abuse.

God damn the Democrats for not using the last 4 years to get themsleves a stronger candidate. Biden's age was a factor in 2020 and it was sheer denial to think it was not going to be an even bigger factor now. What the hell would he be like in another four years?

They spent all their efforts on the charges, thinking the legal stuff would stop Trump but he no more cares for the law than he does for morality. He lied his arse off all through the debate but that won't matter because no one challenged him on it - no moderator and Biden not up to it.

The Kamala theory was touted last time also (that 'the plan' was for Biden to step down and leave her to it mid term). I think it's just comfort words to be honest.

I don't know whether Trump will want war. What I do know is that we've seen him willing to break democracy to stay in power. Last time he failed - which to me only tells him he needs to go further this time to succeed. I don't have a crystal ball but I think America (and the world) will be closer under a 2nd Trump term to losing democracy and freedoms, than it has been for several decades.

Sadly it’s largely because she’s a woman and because she’s black

I just don’t believe this. Michelle Obama was hugely popular and I think the democrats would be delighted if she was their presidential candidate.

Michelle Obama had a good broad appeal, was a natural speaker and communicator, whereas Kamala is more divisive and only appeals to a narrow subsection of voters.

But the thread is about Biden!

Because Trump would’ve likely backed his despot hero, Putin. There would be no war in Ukraine right now because there would be no Ukraine. Trump publicly said he believes Putin over his own CIA.

I watched it live and there's no sugar-coating how truly awful it was.

So bad that even Trump didn't make capital out of it.

Trump lied his way through 90 minutes but Biden was... shocking.

One can blame the format, the scandalous lack of fact checking, the lack of actual debate. But there's no getting away from it.

Sadly it’s largely because she’s a woman and because she’s black. One or the other MAYBE America could just about stomach, but both together are just too much for them. Plus she’s not exactly political dynamite. It’s all too awful to really comprehend.