Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

Have just been watching senior democrats and no one was able to defend Biden's performance. They know he has to go I just wish someone with authority and influence would say this but they are all holding back and what for a sense of loyalty I really do not get this how it has got to this point

I have close family in the US who have voted both Biden and Trump. Those that voted Trump are still as passionate in their support for him those that voted Biden are not and this is the concern is that people will not feel strongly enough to vote to prevent Trump being the next president or will not feel strongly enough to vote for Biden to continue to be president

Voter apathy for Biden is the real concern

Because generally, it takes decades of dodgy dealing to have done the favours to be able to raise the stupid amounts of money required to win the US election. Trump benefited from being a TV celeb first time around, so had millions of dollars of free exposure.

I am very far from being a Biden fan but I think the comments about him being unsteady on his feet, especially when walking down steps, needs the context of him having spinal arthritis.

However, I'm not aware of anything that will plausibly explain how there's a razor-sharp mind in there working with a fully functional memory.

Biden can’t be replace unless he steps down. I think the democrats still have to officially make him their candidate though but that would mean their state representatives voting against the person they were told to vote for.

California seems to be taking a fairly extreme route in various matters, would the Governor of such a state be able to win over swing states?

Equally stupid term from the last Bush administration

How many conflicts did Trump start during his presidency?

With a trillion dollars worth of US Government, the Houthis, Hamas, Hisbollah and the BRICS have just been treated to this performance by supposedly the 'leader of the free world'.

If I was a US citizen, I would be wary of leaving the US for the remainder of 2024, giving South America and Africa a particularly wide berth.

Sorry to bring it up but there's a second of these "debates" due to be hosted by ABC on 10 September
Of course Biden could pull out if he hasn't already been replaced by then, but perhaps that would look even worse even with a convenient cover story about "a 24 hour bug"?

Unfortunately not. She polls really badly, even worse than Biden and would certainly lose against Trump. She has been a terrible disappointment, with rumours of bullying behaviour and many of her key team walking out and refusing to work with her.

They need someone who polls better and whom would stand a chance at beating Trump. Aside from this's criteria, anyone will do as far as I'm concerned. Just get them in.

@LemonSoup I agree I've known people articulate and with it well into their 90s - I image there some older I've just not met them.

However that's clearly not Biden - he looks frail and been caught more than once looking confused. I can't see him being woken up in middle of night and being ready to deal with world changing events. He has the better team round him - but they are not the ones standing for office.

Most likely

My friend's dad is 84...just become president of his local Rotary, plays golf-and wins-3 times a week-is a parish councillor, plays in a string quartet (amateur), reads widely and a lot and makes the best ice cream ever.
Ok. I know that's nothing like the most powerful job in the world but it's worth remembering that not all old people need to be in a home. I suppose it's just the luck of the genetic draw..

@FOJN true about Gavin Newsome, but at least he would be able to be articulate against Trump. One of the issues last night is that Biden was saying that Trump was lying, but then not following up with specific examples of what the truth was.

@Notonthestairs this CSIS analysis is an alternative view re Taiwan https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-china-could-quarantine-taiwan-mapping-out-two-possible-scenarios

The EU has stepped up pressure a bit too in its latest package of Russia sanctions by sanctioning Chinese companies. Again this is adjacent but it's all related.

Oh yes- possibly.

Could he mean partial birth abortions?

It wouldn't surprise me if he went to sleep one night and didn't wake up...problem solved for the Democrats!
I'd be locking my bedroom door if I was him!

Bidens cognitive decline was evident before the last election. Every time I saw it mentioned on threads here there were a whole host of posters who would jump in to claim that his incoherence was because of a stutter he'd had since childhood despite the fact you can go to YouTube and see him making fiery, coherent speeches just ten years ago. My best guess is that he has Parkinson's disease.

He would not have won the last election at all if the people from intelligence agencies hadn't been embedded in social media companies and managed to successfully suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story. Something which posters here claimed was Russian disinformation.
Elon Musk gave journalists free access to what have become known as the Twitter files so the evidence of intelligence service interference in the last election is readily available. Search for articles and interviews by Michael Shellenberger or Matt Tiabbi for anyone interested.

Gavin Newsom is being floated as a possible replacement if Biden can be persuaded to stand down but he is not without controversy. There is a history of at least one extra marital affair, he had his own partygate moment during covid when California had implemented some of the harshest lock down measures. More recently he implemented a $20 an hour minimum wage for employees in the fast food industry which sounds great but approx 10000 jobs have been lost in the industry in California since its introduction last autumn. His record on education, wild fire prevention (I believe he was caught telling porkies about his interventions on this issue), drought prevention and homelessness isn't great. His chances will depend on how much interest the US public take in the political affairs of other states.

Yes, it’s interesting as my Dad is 78 and very articulate but he does fall to sleep quite a bit sitting reading. My husband has an uncle who is 75 and he is renovating his second home in France! He is physically and mentally fit. Then again 75 isn’t 81!

I know I have already mentioned this but you watch them in contrast to Trudeau who is 51, whether you agree with Trudeau or not the delivery of his points is passionate and energised, is this age I don’t know.

The Democrats are a disgrace for not having an adequate opposition. They brought this on themselves. This isn’t a surprise. I’ve been trying to avoid US politics but even I could see this as a major issue. Look at Biden debate and speak 10 years ago. He’s so different.

And sure you can bring up Trump lying etc but although it might seem superficial it image and how you carry yourself and how you sound when speaking matters.

I was on a thread like this few months ago - it's just popped up on threads you are on.

Entire thread i t was mostly Trump is a loon who shouldn't be in this race - that was before his recent conviction - and Biden is frail and old and looks ill and while better shouldn't be there either.

There were some very prolific and persistent posters insisting Europe and UK had all all fallen for right wing propaganda - we were all being fooled.

Left me with the impression their operatives on both side think their USA voters are thick and if they lie louder and more persistently they'll be believed. While I don't think we are in a great place politically in UK - don't think our media is as bad for allowing this not since Brexit anyway.

I think most of the Democrats political machine woken up too late to fact Biden looks frail and too old - and they lack balls for the fight - for want of better term - to take him down in any of the very few chances to get rid.

Biden isn't just old. He's deteriorating very quickly. They should have sorted this out last summer when it was clear he was going downhill.
What a bloody mess.

Yes, I was confused by that.

No I personally would not vote for Trump. However for many in the US as in the UK blue collar workers feel ignored and that they are getting increasingly poorer as time goes on. If the Democrats loose this election against a convicted misogynist criminal it will be because they were not able to articulate why voting for Biden would deliver better outcomes for them. Amongst America's black community support for Biden has declined and declined quite sharply. The population as a whole remains unconvinced.

Trump is liar but unfortunately people voting for him don’t fact check

Not rtft but Biden seems to have got significantly worse over the last few months, his health has obviously taken a downhill turn, but he's 81, there's no way he can still be doing one of this most difficult jobs in the world at 85.

Will the Democrats have the guts/ability to stand him down? At the moment we seek nailed on to have 4 more years of Don...

I wish they could have Obama back…