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molotovcupcakes · 2024-06-28T06:10:38+00:00

Biden looked so frail and incoherant at times that this must be the end of his Presidency very soon. How have the Democrats not faced this sooner and selected someone else, I don't understand why they have let this go on for so long. He had to be helped off the stage by his wife and it seems like elder abuse. https://www.politico.com/video/2024/06/28/jill-biden-escorts-joe-biden-off-stage-after-first-presidential-debate-1346575 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wf1eA3QUC4&ab_channel=11Alive

AInightingale · 28/06/2024 13:38

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 28/06/2024 12:34

There is a big difference between his performance and him being medically incompetent. I know as have family members with dementia. He is far, far away from someone registering power of attorney for him.

But he definitely shouldn't be President of the USA.

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The decline with dementia can be alarmingly swift though. Remember meeting my uncle at a family dinner in his 80s, on the surface he seemed fine, he even drove himself home that night. Yet within a year he was seriously confused and disorientated within the home, within 18 months in a nursing home as his wife could not cope.

GasPanic · 28/06/2024 13:31

maudelovesharold · 28/06/2024 13:27

Upside to that would be, Obama will only be 66 in 4 years time, if he wanted to run again!

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Doubt very much Trump could change that. Unless he gets supermajorities in the House and Senate.

GasPanic · 28/06/2024 13:29

FictionalCharacter · 28/06/2024 13:12

They won’t elect a woman. The Dems wouldn’t choose HRC and the GOP wouldn’t choose Harris.
I don’t agree this is elder abuse. Nobody is abusing him. He has a job and he’s doing it, and has chosen not to step down. But he’s a disaster now. Trump is just as impaired as he is but in a different way, so he appears stronger. Trump is very likely to win and the consequences worldwide will be dreadful.

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They won’t elect a woman.

It's probably worth mentioning that Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote in 2016.

The idea that "they won't elect a woman" seems like nonsense to me.

They will elect a woman if she is popular and competent.Harris is neither. Obama is popular.

I am not sure her political competency has been well demonstrated, since she has never even stood as a senator as far as I am aware.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 28/06/2024 13:27

safetyfreak · 28/06/2024 13:18

I saw this coming a year ago yet the media in America is so towards the left, they ignored the warning signs. They did a diservice to their country and the world frankly. Joe Biden is just a puppet, the people behind him are running the country.

I can see what you mean. JB clearly isn't able to run the US, so who is?
That would concern me if I were an American. Of course it plays straight into Trumps conspiracy loving supporters who love to wax lyrical about the US being run by a shadowy cabal as well.

maudelovesharold · 28/06/2024 13:27

YankTank · 28/06/2024 13:06

Trump’s already told us that he wants to change the constitution to eliminate the two term limit. Now remind me…who was it that changed their country’s constitution to do the same? Ah yes, it was Putin.

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Upside to that would be, Obama will only be 66 in 4 years time, if he wanted to run again!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2024 13:26

I don’t agree this is elder abuse. Nobody is abusing him

FWIW I'm not sure either, but I believe the argument is that if he's not got full capacity the party were unkind to nominate him at all, and that his loved ones should step up to persuade him this really isn't a good idea

That said they can't exactly stop him, and for all we know Jill might put the kudos of being First Lady higher than concern for her husband

BloodyHellKenAgain · 28/06/2024 13:24

Ilikeadrink14 · 28/06/2024 13:07

Sorry but if Biden were to die now, they’d HAVE to find someone. So what’s the problem with replacing a poor old chap who is clearly out of his depth? Seems so cruel to let him carry on like this.

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Apparently the president has to agree to voluntarily stand down, unless they're not of sound mind. Even though JB should stand down imo I do think he is compos mentis so can't be removed.

safetyfreak · 28/06/2024 13:18

I saw this coming a year ago yet the media in America is so towards the left, they ignored the warning signs. They did a diservice to their country and the world frankly. Joe Biden is just a puppet, the people behind him are running the country.

FluentRubyDog · 28/06/2024 13:15

Sparticusoctopus · 28/06/2024 07:23

Is he being pushed into it or does his ego get in the way?

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I'd say pushed, I'm not 100% he's compos mentis.

fliptopbin · 28/06/2024 13:14

From what I gather, Kamala is in a no win situation, because she was put in charge of illegal immigration, and some other briefs that are impossible to fix. So obviously she didn't deliver, and now she is very unpopular.

Sparticusoctopus · 28/06/2024 13:14

AInightingale · 28/06/2024 10:13

Just reminds me of my late father in his last couple of years, after he had suffered a series of small strokes - jumbled words, losing the thread of his sentences.

It's absolutely appalling and so much worse in an era of mass media, I believe that Ramsay MacDonald was quietly replaced by Baldwin in the 1930s because his speeches became increasingly rambling and it was obvious that he had dementia, but politicians did not have the scrutiny that they do now.

Reminds me of me in my peri brain fog phases. I just know my limits and would step down rather than keep going.

YankTank · 28/06/2024 13:13

FictionalCharacter · 28/06/2024 13:12

They won’t elect a woman. The Dems wouldn’t choose HRC and the GOP wouldn’t choose Harris.
I don’t agree this is elder abuse. Nobody is abusing him. He has a job and he’s doing it, and has chosen not to step down. But he’s a disaster now. Trump is just as impaired as he is but in a different way, so he appears stronger. Trump is very likely to win and the consequences worldwide will be dreadful.

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*Hayley

Golden407 · 28/06/2024 13:13

CroftonWillow · 28/06/2024 07:18

There'll be a mechanism but first things first they have to face the reality it needs to happen. They seem to be in denial at the moment and wasting precious time. I'd have thought Kamala Harris is the only option at this stage. She needs to start getting out there.

Her ratings are a horror show, she has no chance of being elected

FictionalCharacter · 28/06/2024 13:12

shearwater2 · 28/06/2024 07:24

I don't understand why Kamala Harris couldn't run. Why are these dreadful old gimmers in line to run the most powerful country on earth? Trump is also too old and a convicted felon. It's all so fucked up.

They won’t elect a woman. The Dems wouldn’t choose HRC and the GOP wouldn’t choose Harris.
I don’t agree this is elder abuse. Nobody is abusing him. He has a job and he’s doing it, and has chosen not to step down. But he’s a disaster now. Trump is just as impaired as he is but in a different way, so he appears stronger. Trump is very likely to win and the consequences worldwide will be dreadful.

PifandHercule · 28/06/2024 13:12

Kamala seems like the most logical candidate but the problem is that America is simply not ready for a female president, especially a woman of colour. She polls very low and Democrats know that she won’t stand a chance.
Besides, she may not even want to put herself and her family through the hell of running anyway.

Nanny0gg · 28/06/2024 13:11

shearwater2 · 28/06/2024 07:24

I don't understand why Kamala Harris couldn't run. Why are these dreadful old gimmers in line to run the most powerful country on earth? Trump is also too old and a convicted felon. It's all so fucked up.

Because they all think she's useless

Nanny0gg · 28/06/2024 13:10

AgnesX · 28/06/2024 07:19

It's heartbreaking. The Republicans are likely to win as a default.

I'm so sorry for America (especially as Trump is being influenced by the obnoxious Farage and all that he stands for).

Sorry for the US?

I'm sorry for us

I'm terrified of Trump getting in

A population of 341,963,408 adults and these are the choices?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2024 13:09

Here you go, @dollybird ... the two term thing:

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/constitutional-amendments-amendment-22-term-limits-presidency

hastalav · 28/06/2024 13:07

Wideskye · 28/06/2024 13:02

It is very sad.
Personally, I think there should be an age limit in all countries for Presidents and Prime Ministers.

Should be, I agree. Let's start with the King and Queen and successors maybe also? They are heads of State too.

dollybird · 28/06/2024 13:07

ConsiderabloiRicherthanYow · 28/06/2024 10:58

Lincoln (and slave owning racist tyrants like jefferson, washington and co.) would be spinning in their grave at the thought of a black woman holding a position they did.

Quoting Lincoln, 1858 speech during the Lincoln and Douglas debates:

"I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. I as much as any man am in favor of the superior position assigned to the white race."

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How is a 166 year old opinion relevant to the here and now?

Ilikeadrink14 · 28/06/2024 13:07

Dearg · 28/06/2024 07:15

I do agree. It’s actually very sad to see. I have no idea how they go about replacing their candidate at this stage , but sadly, Biden will just hand this to Trump.

Sorry but if Biden were to die now, they’d HAVE to find someone. So what’s the problem with replacing a poor old chap who is clearly out of his depth? Seems so cruel to let him carry on like this.

YankTank · 28/06/2024 13:06

dollybird · 28/06/2024 13:01

I wonder if Obama would've got back in if he'd been allowed to run. Why do they have the two term rule? Although I guess it will be a blessing if/when Trump gets back in.

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Trump’s already told us that he wants to change the constitution to eliminate the two term limit. Now remind me…who was it that changed their country’s constitution to do the same? Ah yes, it was Putin.

Wideskye · 28/06/2024 13:02

It is very sad.
Personally, I think there should be an age limit in all countries for Presidents and Prime Ministers.

dollybird · 28/06/2024 13:01

maudelovesharold · 28/06/2024 11:05

I wish they could have Obama back…

I wonder if Obama would've got back in if he'd been allowed to run. Why do they have the two term rule? Although I guess it will be a blessing if/when Trump gets back in.

TheABC · 28/06/2024 12:56

Who would take over if either candidate is declared medically unfit? At 78 and 81 out on the campaign trail, they've got a higher-than-average chance of a stroke, heart attack or other serious problems.

I'm frankly amazed at Trump's resilience, given the legal and financial stress he is under. Perhaps a lifetime of being an odious narcissist helps..