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Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

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molotovcupcakes · 28/06/2024 07:10

Biden looked so frail and incoherant at times that this must be the end of his Presidency very soon.
How have the Democrats not faced this sooner and selected someone else, I don't understand why they have let this go on for so long.
He had to be helped off the stage by his wife and it seems like elder abuse.

www.politico.com/video/2024/06/28/jill-biden-escorts-joe-biden-off-stage-after-first-presidential-debate-1346575

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BIossomtoes · 21/07/2024 19:14

Biden’s stepped down from the candidacy.

Sloejelly · 04/07/2024 20:39

It Is Scotus that has undermined democracy here, like the German Enabling Act.

Sloejelly · 04/07/2024 20:35

UnfriendMe · 04/07/2024 20:27

It's not killing a political opponent it's taking out a national security threat who by his own admission has stated that he will put an end to democracy.

Adam Kinzinger (a Republican ) just said today on CNN that now that scrotus deemed trump immune from anything done officially, it means biden could too...and he could use it now to prevent trump from being able to run, even if it means killing him.

Looks like a few people agree with me...

Don’t be daft. Trump may be an awful prospect but he is a political candidate and the only reason he would become president is because a democratic vote placed him there. Democracy is about accepting other people’s choice is not the same as your own. Biden ‘getting in first’ and killing off Trump doesn’t make him any less of a autocrat than if Trump did declare himself dictator and somehow managed to overthrow all the other arms of government.

UnfriendMe · 04/07/2024 20:27

Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 13:37

In what way is killing your political opponent because you don’t like their views and they might win an election, understanding democracy?

It's not killing a political opponent it's taking out a national security threat who by his own admission has stated that he will put an end to democracy.

Adam Kinzinger (a Republican ) just said today on CNN that now that scrotus deemed trump immune from anything done officially, it means biden could too...and he could use it now to prevent trump from being able to run, even if it means killing him.

Looks like a few people agree with me...

UnfriendMe · 04/07/2024 20:21

Aladdinzane · 02/07/2024 10:00

I'm guessing you don't realise what Trump will be able to do with this ruling in his second term.

"A dictator on day one"

Is damned right.

I 100% realize what trump will be able to do with this ruling, hence why I said "there goes any opposition." I was simply stating that Biden can use the same ruling to his advantage by getting rid of Trump once and for all.

Aladdinzane · 02/07/2024 18:30

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/07/2024 17:04

It would appear that Biden's even more confused than we perhaps thought, given his comment on the most recent ruling around presidential immunity: “This nation was founded on the principle that there are no kings in America. Each, each of us is equal before the law. No one, no one is above the law. Not even the president of the United States,” Mr Biden said. With the decision on Monday, he said, “that fundamentally changed”

I'm not sure how it can have "fundamentally changed" when the immunity already existed, but perhaps he just means it doesn't suit the Democrats' campaign?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/01/donald-trump-immunity-trial-supreme-court/

The immunity didn't already exist.

It's why Nixon had to be pardoned.

Biden isn't confused.

This is a biased supreme court ruling.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/07/2024 17:04

It would appear that Biden's even more confused than we perhaps thought, given his comment on the most recent ruling around presidential immunity: “This nation was founded on the principle that there are no kings in America. Each, each of us is equal before the law. No one, no one is above the law. Not even the president of the United States,” Mr Biden said. With the decision on Monday, he said, “that fundamentally changed”

I'm not sure how it can have "fundamentally changed" when the immunity already existed, but perhaps he just means it doesn't suit the Democrats' campaign?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/01/donald-trump-immunity-trial-supreme-court/

Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 13:37

UnfriendMe · 02/07/2024 09:43

I guess you don't understand the meaning of democracy, let's hope biden's administration does.

In what way is killing your political opponent because you don’t like their views and they might win an election, understanding democracy?

beeloubee · 02/07/2024 10:02

They should have let the independent candidate Robert f Kennedy join the debate

Aladdinzane · 02/07/2024 10:00

UnfriendMe · 02/07/2024 09:43

I guess you don't understand the meaning of democracy, let's hope biden's administration does.

I'm guessing you don't realise what Trump will be able to do with this ruling in his second term.

"A dictator on day one"

Is damned right.

UnfriendMe · 02/07/2024 09:43

Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 22:28

Biden should use the supreme court's verdict today to get rid of trump. He's a threat to democracy, a strike team could easily fix all of this.

Biden certainly would not just be a threat to democracy if he did that, he would have killed democracy.

I guess you don't understand the meaning of democracy, let's hope biden's administration does.

TempestTost · 02/07/2024 02:38

Sugartreemumma · 01/07/2024 22:08

You think that trump will willingly cede power🤣🤣
are you kidding??

No not at all.

I don't think he's really much like a traditional dictator in his character. People compare him to PUtin, I think that's a real misunderstanding of what kind of person he is and his interests.

Whatever we could say about Putin's moral character, his motivations is very much political control, he has specific policy and goals he wants, and he is very hard working.

I don't think Trump has much interest in politics really, and he's not especially a hard worker, or driven. I don't think he particularly enjoys the work of being president.

The biggest issue with losing the election for him was about his ego. And if he reached the end of his term limit, that wouldn't have any implications for his ego.

Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 22:28

Biden should use the supreme court's verdict today to get rid of trump. He's a threat to democracy, a strike team could easily fix all of this.

Biden certainly would not just be a threat to democracy if he did that, he would have killed democracy.

Sugartreemumma · 01/07/2024 22:08

TempestTost · 01/07/2024 21:35

I think it would be much, much easier for Trump to let go at the end of a second term, because it wouldn't be an election loss. So no loss of face.

You think that trump will willingly cede power🤣🤣
are you kidding??

UnfriendMe · 01/07/2024 21:54

Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 13:26

Nonsense. You are hugely overestimating the power the president has.

Not true. Overestimating the power the president currently has, not overestimating the power a president could have if he does away with the checks and balances and replaces competent government workers with incompetent yes men, both part of Trump's plan. And now it looks like he also can't be held accountable for his crimes in office so there goes any opposition...

Biden should use the supreme court's verdict today to get rid of trump. He's a threat to democracy, a strike team could easily fix all of this.

Wideskye · 01/07/2024 21:48

I think they should get rid of bot of them.

TempestTost · 01/07/2024 21:35

I think it would be much, much easier for Trump to let go at the end of a second term, because it wouldn't be an election loss. So no loss of face.

fedupdontknowwheretoputmyself · 01/07/2024 21:21

OonaStubbs · 01/07/2024 18:29

Trump's second reign will be same as the first. The government running things largely as usual with a President who spends his time spouting bullshit on Twitter.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do]]]]

I think you might be wrong on this. He's not going to let things slip through his fingers again. He's in it for the long haul and will force through the changes necessary to facilitate this.

Sugartreemumma · 01/07/2024 21:15

OonaStubbs · 01/07/2024 18:29

Trump's second reign will be same as the first. The government running things largely as usual with a President who spends his time spouting bullshit on Twitter.

I hope you are right, I hope it doesn't end in civil war.

OonaStubbs · 01/07/2024 18:29

Trump's second reign will be same as the first. The government running things largely as usual with a President who spends his time spouting bullshit on Twitter.

Sugartreemumma · 01/07/2024 13:33

Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 13:26

Nonsense. You are hugely overestimating the power the president has.

I hope you're right.

Sugartreemumma · 01/07/2024 13:32

fliptopbin · 01/07/2024 13:26

Considering what happened with Mike Pence during the Jan 6 debacle, I wonder who would be mad enough to want to be Trump's VP.

Anyone who is dumb enough and/or mad enough would presumably not have enough credibility to attract voters? So it does (hopefully) look like a catch 22 for him 🤷🏼‍♀️

Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 13:26

Sugartreemumma · 01/07/2024 12:34

Trump will turn the USA into North Korea. One rich fat man ruling over a nation of impoverished half starved citizens too weak to overthrow him.
If he gets in his first priority will be to make sure he can never be voted out again.

Nonsense. You are hugely overestimating the power the president has.

fliptopbin · 01/07/2024 13:26

TillyMSF · 29/06/2024 21:54

Yes, he can be replaced at the Democratic Convention in August. I don't know what happened to Kamala. She's made public speaking gaffes and is largely absent in the media.

Trump can still blow it with his choice for VP. It'll be a tough call. He doesn't want a moderate, another Pence, or an extremist kook like Marjorie Taylor Green to turn off moderates and the undecided. Hoping and praying he picks someone loyal but loco en la cabeza.

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Considering what happened with Mike Pence during the Jan 6 debacle, I wonder who would be mad enough to want to be Trump's VP.

RoseUnder · 01/07/2024 13:11

Sugartreemumma · 01/07/2024 12:34

Trump will turn the USA into North Korea. One rich fat man ruling over a nation of impoverished half starved citizens too weak to overthrow him.
If he gets in his first priority will be to make sure he can never be voted out again.

Indeed. Trump has said openly that he'll "only be a dictator on day one"

One day is all a dictator needs, to take executive powers and transform government. There is a well-oiled MAGA war machine ready to do this.

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