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Beating the Heat: Why Can't New Builds Have Air Con?

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TeaTimeMum · 27/06/2024 14:42

I'm not sure what it's like at your end, but it's absolutely hot and humid over here and everything just feels harder—neither staying in nor popping out offers any relief. Whether it’s doing the housework, driving, or even just nipping out for some shopping, the heat just makes it all the more dreadful. And yes, we do moan about the weather a fair bit, but this heat is simply too much. I’ve been wondering, why don’t new builds come with air conditioning as standard? Some might argue that we only have a week or two of this scorching weather in the UK, but these days, air con units can heat as well. So why not fit these versatile systems? We could use it to keep cool in the summer and cozy in the winter.

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PerfectTravelTote · 27/06/2024 16:42

Air con units can heat but they aren't very good at it. Hot air rises. Blowing hot air near ceiling height won't keep you warm in our winters. They're ok in countries that don't have much of a Winter.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 27/06/2024 16:38

AC is just not necessary for 2 weeks a year, as pp have already noted ceiling fans and shutters would make a huge difference, as would Brits being taught how to deal with a heat wave, maybe some of those infomercials we had in the 80s but instead of not playing in the fridge it was a helpful reminder that throwing your windows open when its 30deg outside just lets 30deg air inside even if it does feel cool as it blows in.

behindthemall · 27/06/2024 16:35

BlossomToLeaves · 27/06/2024 15:23

I'm in a terrible new build - supposedly eco-friendly, so no air-con, but it's badly designed - corner flat with huge glass windows on both sides, no cross ventilation. (I had little choice in moving here as it was a sudden unexpected move and couldn't get anywhere else). I am so hot from about May to September (like indoor temp reading 29 or more, not every day but often - takes ages to cool at the end of summer). I do have a portable unit, but it really doesn't do enough, and also uses a lot of electricity. And can't be used at night as I'm on the ground floor. Properly installed central air con would probably be more eco-friendly. I have a parasol to try to shade the windows from outside in one direction, but can't put anything outside on the others, so just have indoor blinds on that side, which are absolutely not enough.

I don't even know if I'd get permission to retrofit it, as it would need drilling through the walls. And I don't know if a wall unit would fit anywhere anyway - they are still too big for a tiny flat. We have an air ventilation system, so you'd have though that could be adapted somehow to active cooling, but apparently not, even though there is already ductwork there for that.

I wonder about a ceiling fan in the bedroom, but I like the light fixture in there, and it would be a shame to have to replace it, but it might be an option if I could get permission. I wonder if there are fans that can do above/alongside an existing pendant light? hmm

(It's not that it's super warm in the winter, either, with all the glass! It's OK but the glass actually seems to make it quite chilly in the winter especially if it's windy. You'd think that would at least make up a little for the excess heat in the summer, but no).

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The only new build I’ve ever bought was in an eco friendly development and had air con as it was more eco friendly than central heating (as it used green generated energy rather than burning fossil fuels). It was absolutely useless at heating though, so I wouldn’t recommend it as a heating replacement.

Although that said we’ve just retro-fitted air conditioning into our not-new build for £6k, and the both the heating and cooling on that are cracking. We’ve got solar panels too so it’s practically free to use for cooling on sunny days.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 27/06/2024 16:34

I think more importantly new builds should HAVE to have solar panels and ground source heat pumps.
But as a PP has said (and I'm paraphrasing here) the rotten, sneaky, thieving, toady money-grabbing bastard builders are more interested in their own profits than sustainability, IMO.
Although, to be fair, some of them are quite good.

CaptainOliviaBenson · 27/06/2024 16:32

TeaTimeMum · 27/06/2024 15:00

@PrincessTeaSet I doubt a ceiling fan would be a feasible option, as you need a high ceiling for it, and standard houses in the UK, especially new builds have low ceilings

I'm in a new build with low ceilings and we have ceiling fans. Although we're all tiny (DH at the tallest is 5'6) so that's probably why it's not a problem. 😂

CaptainOliviaBenson · 27/06/2024 16:30

PrincessTeaSet · 27/06/2024 14:56

A ceiling fan would be more suitable for our climate. I wonder why more people don't have them

DH fitted one in our living room and one in our bedroom a few years ago. Absolute game changer!

mitogoshi · 27/06/2024 16:28

Why ? It's 23 degrees, a nice summers day but hardly hot. It's maybe 2 weeks a year tops that air con would be used and we manage just fine with a fan

Noosnom · 27/06/2024 16:25

Air con increases climate change I understand. We need to build better style houses, not increase energy use.

Airdustmoon · 27/06/2024 16:24

Our house is a new build and stiflingly hot whenever outdoor temps reach about 25+ especially in the front because the front of the house has the full sun on it from about 11am until the sun goes down. We moved in 10 years ago and after 8 summers we finally installed air con in the bedrooms last year! It’s some of the best money we’ve ever spent. Cost about £3k and don’t believe the naysayers, it really doesn’t cost very much to run at all, it’s very efficient. I thoroughly recommend it and my next door neighbours are getting it installed soon too!

GasPanic · 27/06/2024 16:24

Because then cooling would become a significant part of our energy use and we are trying to reduce the amount of energy we use not increase it.

It is possible to run heat pumps in a cooling mode, but I don't believe they are allowed as part of the government grants because of energy efficiency.

British summers aren't really very hot. It's not really necessary to have air con.

opalsandcoffee · 27/06/2024 16:23

TeaTimeMum · 27/06/2024 15:14

I believe one of the major issues with new-build homes, particularly those constructed over the last 20 years, is their design. They are specifically engineered to conserve heat, which is beneficial during winter. From my experience living in a house built in the 1960s, it was quite cold in winter, but these new homes maintain warmth so well that there's often no need to run the boiler as much. However, this efficient heat conservation becomes a problem in the summer when the homes can become uncomfortably hot. I think construction companies should develop plans for new houses that not only conserve heat in winter but also stay cool in summer, perhaps through improved cross ventilation or similar methods.

It isn't a problem in the summer, that is just a basic science misconception. A well insulated house will prevent heat entering in the summer just as well as heat leaving in the winter

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 27/06/2024 16:22

TeaTimeMum · 27/06/2024 15:00

@PrincessTeaSet I doubt a ceiling fan would be a feasible option, as you need a high ceiling for it, and standard houses in the UK, especially new builds have low ceilings

I have 8ft ceilings in my new build!

Not too hot in here, loads of ventilation and efficient building means we are kept ok in the heat and toasty in the winter!

voiceofastar · 27/06/2024 16:16

@Caspianberg I was talking about the UK where blocks of flats aren’t equipped with these things and as a leaseholder you wouldn’t get permission to retrofit them. The flats in the pictures you’ve posted look bloody brilliant. And council flats too, astounding.

Caspianberg · 27/06/2024 16:12

@voiceofastar

There’s new council flats being built locally to me. They look very similar to this picture. Using wooden slats to shade certain parts, awnings and they have roller blackout shutters. They are new, not old conversion but being built to be economical

Beating the Heat: Why Can't New Builds Have Air Con?
SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress · 27/06/2024 16:11

We live in a house built 2005. Normal height ceilings. It has ceiling fans when we moved in. I have no idea how we lived without them. Fugly as they are

SOxon · 27/06/2024 16:10

why can’t new builds have a system i. which grey water can be used to flush the toilet, guttering run off into water butts, south and west facing large windows anti glare, why do they so often build downstairs cloakrooms, with toilet, right next to
the front door !?! as soon as you walk in the house the first thing you see
is the bog ?!?

shearwater2 · 27/06/2024 16:09

Aircon in homes would be pretty disastrous for sustainability, and it is warm for what, two weeks a year? We're not Spain. Who don't necessarily need aircon in homes either as they build traditionally with thick walls keeping the sun out.

WizardOfAus · 27/06/2024 16:07

If the UK had been building Passivhaus homes like parts of Northern Europe and Canada have been for decades…our homes wouldn't overheat or experience draughts, condensation, mould, cold spots, etc.

Scotland is about to introduce Passivhaus building regulations later this year for this exact reason. It’s long, long, long overdue.

You don’t need an aircon or any other bolt on technologies (solar panels) in a Passivhaus. The home is so well insulated and constructed, it stays at a constant, comfortable temperature all year round.

Caspianberg · 27/06/2024 16:07

@voiceofastar - why? All flats have the same shutters here also. Wooden on older buildings or roller shutters. Even flats.
That way you just close them up when you go out or to work, and come home to cool flat. Upper floor flats almost all built with balconies so everyone can have awnings also. Flats are very common here

focacciamuffin · 27/06/2024 16:07

Sookafatwan · 27/06/2024 16:02

We had that in the 1970's over here. Not the cooling element though. Would need to be airtight.

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Had the same. It wasn’t great, made worse by the cat habitually sitting on the vents.

OMGsamesame · 27/06/2024 16:05

PrincessTeaSet · 27/06/2024 14:58

You can put outside blinds or shades over your windows - that will help a lot. Air con is an expensive and environmentally damaging sledgehammer to crack a nut in a country where temps above the low 20s are a very occasional thing

This would be better!

Air con is only going to contribute to local overheating. Outer blinds as are common in continental Europe would make loads more sense first of all.

voiceofastar · 27/06/2024 16:04

Caspianberg · 27/06/2024 16:02

I wouldn’t want it and don’t see the need. We live southern Europe. It’s hot here in summer. I much prefer using the house for cooling. We have awnings that pull out to provide shade outside and stop sun coming in, wooden shutters upstairs we keep closed on bedrooms in summer, and auto slinging shutters downstairs we can lower 1/4-1/2 only to add extra cooling and shade when needed.

It’s 34 outside today, inside rooms hover around 22-26 degrees daytime depending on location to sun. Cooler at night.

Air con just drys the air and make any throat dry. I turn it off in hotels.

outside we have pergolas with vines growing over for shade, lots of trees, and the awnings. Extra sun umbrellas when needed

That’s great if it’s a house and you have a garden but not much use in a flat, which is all many people of my generation can afford.

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Sookafatwan · 27/06/2024 16:02

Whenstheendofsummer · 27/06/2024 16:01

I’m in the USA and we do have aircon. Our heating system is completely different to the the UK though - we have blown air through the floors, no radiators. Blown air gets heated in the winter and cooled in the summer. The major downsides are that we can’t really control the temperatures in individual rooms much apart from closing vents, and it can generate more dust. It’s also pretty drying on the skin.

We had that in the 1970's over here. Not the cooling element though. Would need to be airtight.

Caspianberg · 27/06/2024 16:02

I wouldn’t want it and don’t see the need. We live southern Europe. It’s hot here in summer. I much prefer using the house for cooling. We have awnings that pull out to provide shade outside and stop sun coming in, wooden shutters upstairs we keep closed on bedrooms in summer, and auto slinging shutters downstairs we can lower 1/4-1/2 only to add extra cooling and shade when needed.

It’s 34 outside today, inside rooms hover around 22-26 degrees daytime depending on location to sun. Cooler at night.

Air con just drys the air and make any throat dry. I turn it off in hotels.

outside we have pergolas with vines growing over for shade, lots of trees, and the awnings. Extra sun umbrellas when needed