Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Can someone explain married people’s surnames?

259 replies

henpp · 26/06/2024 22:46

If you marry, do both people have to have the same surname? Do you have to decide on which to have together? Could one of you double barrel and the other not?

OP posts:
MollyButton · 27/06/2024 07:54

CurlewKate · 27/06/2024 07:08

"His was nicer and easier to spell."

Ah yes, the old "men's last names are so much nicer and easier to spell" trope! 🤣

I kept my surname but would have changed it if my birth one had been awful e.g. Smelly or Pratt etc Why should anyone judge anyone on their choice of surname

Cliedi · 27/06/2024 07:54

I fully planned to take my husband’s name (as he already had a child so it was the only way to give us all the same surname as a family) but I haven’t got round to it as the paperwork is such a headache so I’m legally my maiden name.

EatTheGnome · 27/06/2024 07:51

MissTrip82 · 27/06/2024 01:17

This always interests me.

Why do you think your husband's name is his, but your name is your father's? By this logic you don't take your husband's name, you take your father-in-law's......only not his, his father's or his father's father's etc etc.

Surely you don't think women never have their own name?

They usually have their fathers name. J have my father's name and I feel quite connected to it which is one of many reasons I didn't change it on marriage.

My colleague and husband both took on a brand new name so their kids will have their name.

Theeternalrocksbeneath · 27/06/2024 07:46

I’ve read through all the posts on here and it is SO good to see so many posters who are against the archaic and sexist practise of women changing their names on marriage!

I’ve been married over 30 years and I kept my name. Which raised many eyebrows - but funnily enough, no one asked my husband if he’d be taking my name!

And again, so many posters calling out those who make the tired old claim that their husband’s surname was nicer and easier to spell. It’s amazing how many men get the good surnames and women get the crap ones 🙄

It’s wonderful to see a growing opposition to this awful old practice and I’m increasingly confident that in the future it will be consigned to the bin, where it belongs.

EatTheGnome · 27/06/2024 07:46

We kept our own. We aren't very traditional though - no ring etc. We didn't have a wedding, we got married just the two of us for financial reasons, which I thinknis kore level-headed than the idea of love and romance (we do of course love each other).

A girl at work made one up woth her husband to break free from the idea of belonging to a man's family name (him or her dad). It's quite lovely that they have something just those two. Something impound have done uf I wasn't so lazy about changing paperwork.

Parker231 · 27/06/2024 07:46

CurlewKate · 27/06/2024 07:08

"His was nicer and easier to spell."

Ah yes, the old "men's last names are so much nicer and easier to spell" trope! 🤣

Weird isn’t it!

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 27/06/2024 07:45

You can change your name to whatever you want as long as it isn’t for illegal reasons.
I am against women changing their names on marriage although I respect the right to do so. When I marrIed my husband changed his name - when we divorced he changed it back.

MotherOfGodWeeFella · 27/06/2024 07:44

If I were to remarry, I'd keep my own name. Changed it to his when I married yonks ago and changed it back to my birth name when we divorced. I like what the Spanish do, where women keep their own name and children have both parents' names. Everyone has two surnames though.

Chersfrozenface · 27/06/2024 07:43

toomanytonotice · 27/06/2024 00:55

It’s not any more difficult to travel on different surnames as it is the same.

all need the same documentation, permission off all with PR etc.

surnames make bugger all difference to travelling.

Particularly in Europe where different customs apply so officials are familiar with different surnames in a family.

In Spain women don't change their name on marriage. In Italy women keep their name but have the choice of adding their husband's. In France a woman's official name remains the same but traditionally she uses her husband's as a "known by" name - and if they divorce she can just revert to her official name, no paperwork required.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 27/06/2024 07:43

BestZebbie · 26/06/2024 22:59

In the UK (as of 15yrs ago when I last read about this) marriage doesn't automatically change the legal surname of either party getting married, although the woman gains the additional right to be legally known under the man's surname in addition to her own. Conventionally women take up this right and stop using their maiden name, update their passport to show the preferred new name etc, but it is very much not required (and you can carry on with both together if you like, e.g.: for work and at home). I do not know how this works with marriages containing two women or two men.

If you are a woman and want to totally drop your maiden name for some reason, or a man wants to take a woman's surname, or you both want to take a totally different surname, you can but you will need a deed poll, which is a different legal document unconnected to the marriage paperwork. It is also not that uncommon for one or both people to take the opportunity to change their middle name(s) with a deed poll at the same time as the wedding.

No that’s wrong, a man can take the woman’s surname with a marriage certificate, no deed poll required. Either party can take the other’s name or any combination of the two names, it’s the same for same sex couples.

VolvoFan · 27/06/2024 07:40

You can do what you want. Tradition is a solution to problems that we forgot existed. Just because it's considered antiquated doesn't mean we shouldn't do it/use it. I took my husband's name as per tradition and didn't double-barrel it. I didn't like my maiden name much anyway.

WannabeMathematician · 27/06/2024 07:39

Flossflower · 27/06/2024 00:12

In future generations it might be different but the name I was born with was my father’s name. That is because for hundreds of years that is how things were done. I am not saying it was right. Even now, a mother may keep her father’s name but the name a child gets is usually the father’s or some double barrelled version.

Do you have any brothers? Did they get their own names?

PuttingDownRoots · 27/06/2024 07:36

And if its Your name, its yours to change if you want to.

People are entitled to their own opinions on their own name. Simply...I like my married surname more than I did my birth surname. I love my family, but wasn't attached to the name.
I've very attached to my married surname. It suits our family.

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/06/2024 07:34

All the women in my circle kept their own names. Most also gave their children their own. As did I.

Makes far more sense. The divorce rate is high. Women are nearly always the primary carers, many fathers become absent. It is more practical for children to have the mum's name.

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/06/2024 07:30

Flossflower · 26/06/2024 23:57

So the choice is usually your husband’s name or your father’s name! I couldn’t wait to get rid of my father’s name.

It was your name not your father's.

Why is it your husband's name not his father's name? Men don't own names.

CountdownCat · 27/06/2024 07:26

I actually kept my first husbands surname! I'm now married to DH2 but kept it as I didn't want a different last name to DD.

When she's grown up I will probably change it to my current DHs name.

Darhon · 27/06/2024 07:17

toomanytonotice · 27/06/2024 06:43

You need those documents to travel whether you have the same surname or not.

you must be able to show you have permission from all parties with PR.

surnames are irrelevant.

Split when mine were 12,14, 17. They have exes surname (we weren’t married and it was my choice as I’ve spelt my name out every single time I’ve given it!). Anyway, I never provided any documentation that he had my permission for them to travel when he took them abroad.

SheilaFentiman · 27/06/2024 07:11

My name is nicer than my husband’s

I kept it 😀

CurlewKate · 27/06/2024 07:08

"His was nicer and easier to spell."

Ah yes, the old "men's last names are so much nicer and easier to spell" trope! 🤣

toomanytonotice · 27/06/2024 07:08

Caterpillarshoes · 27/06/2024 06:37

So sad to lose our traditions. I live in quite a traditional rural area and every house/ farm Is known by the family name. Many have been the same for years/ generations.

I’ve recently researched my family tree.

i can follow the male line no problem. Birth certs, death certs.

if I want to follow the female line it is a million times harder. Once their names change they’re a nightmare to keep track of.

we’re losing our female history because of tradition.

Parker231 · 27/06/2024 06:45

Caterpillarshoes · 27/06/2024 06:37

So sad to lose our traditions. I live in quite a traditional rural area and every house/ farm Is known by the family name. Many have been the same for years/ generations.

Traditions can be good but the majority of women automatically taking their husbands surname on marriage is antiquated and derogatory.

toomanytonotice · 27/06/2024 06:43

HcbSS · 27/06/2024 06:28

I have my own surname but do use Mrs.
This is becas I changed my surname by deed poll back to my Mum’s maiden name at 18 (born before their divorce finalised but had grown up without father and we wanted to be the same as the rest of the family). I am proud of my surname :)

Kids have my husband’s and I have never had to travel with them without him bit if we did I would just take the relevant paperwork. I loath double barreled surnames so that wasn’t an option and I have no issue with them having his name.

You need those documents to travel whether you have the same surname or not.

you must be able to show you have permission from all parties with PR.

surnames are irrelevant.

IncompleteSenten · 27/06/2024 06:40

Chocochick · 27/06/2024 00:01

It strikes me as odd that everyone says “you can do whatever you want” and yet, the vast majority of women still seem to want to drop their surname in favour of their husband’s? I know it’s tradition but a pretty obviously sexist one and I can’t fathom why women would want to uphold this.

That's because the op asked what you can do not what people usually do.

IncompleteSenten · 27/06/2024 06:37

In the UK?
Yes. You can do whatever you like. 🤷 Keep yours, change yours to the man's, change his to yours, change it to both or pick an entirely new one.

Caterpillarshoes · 27/06/2024 06:37

So sad to lose our traditions. I live in quite a traditional rural area and every house/ farm Is known by the family name. Many have been the same for years/ generations.