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Live debate? Protests

159 replies

Theordinary · 26/06/2024 20:28

What on earth is going on outside the university where the live debate is taking place? Sounds pretty crazy!

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bluebeck · 26/06/2024 21:14

Nicesalad · 26/06/2024 21:12

I don't understand why the BBC are allowed to say that one of these men will be our next PM. Surely they have to be neutral? And it is possible that neither the Conservatives nor Labour will win. We haven't voted yet!

I have!! (Voted) as have many others.

Sunak has totally lost the plot.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 21:14

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:11

@EasternStandard people have a right to claim asylum - anywhere they want to - do you want to do away with that? that 60% have the right to be here

You’re focusing on the part of my post that isn’t related to what you were saying

I’m not questioning the 60% I’m saying you won’t send many people back and faster processing will invite higher numbers

I have an issue with faster processing being a solution to trafficking. It won’t be it’ll make it more attractive

MeinKraft · 26/06/2024 21:13

Fizzadora · 26/06/2024 21:01

Why doesn't he mention his Dad owned the factory?
Not exactly like going down the pit is it, but you'd think so the way he bangs on about it.
It doesn't make him (or the other one whose Mum worked for the NHS) any more aware of what life is actually like for lots of ordinary people who live pay cheque to pay cheque or not even that in many cases.
Labour won't make things any better. It will just be same shit different day. They will shout a lot about how much they are doing for the little people but in reality they will just be better at covering up how much their rich mates are benefitting than the Conservatives, just like Blair & Brown were.

Oh god there's nothing more depressing than the 'things will never change why bother voting' crew

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:13

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:11

not that they’ll ever need to claim benefits, of course.

On a higher level than British people? Probably in work benefits like UC top up or CB - most of the UASC I work with want an education and a good job and to work

Nicesalad · 26/06/2024 21:12

I don't understand why the BBC are allowed to say that one of these men will be our next PM. Surely they have to be neutral? And it is possible that neither the Conservatives nor Labour will win. We haven't voted yet!

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:11

not that they’ll ever need to claim benefits, of course.

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:11

@EasternStandard people have a right to claim asylum - anywhere they want to - do you want to do away with that? that 60% have the right to be here

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:11

God help those daughters if they develop a disability and struggle to work.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 21:11

SnakesAndArrows · 26/06/2024 21:09

It’s Mishal Husain. She’s my favourite interviewer.

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I listen to R4 in the mornings too and think she’s doing brilliantly here

SnakesAndArrows · 26/06/2024 21:09

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 20:50

I actually like this presenter

She’s keeping them to the question

It’s Mishal Husain. She’s my favourite interviewer.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 21:09

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:08

@EasternStandard so we should stop accepting people who have a legitimate asylum claims? Really? Once they have been processed they can work and pay tax and all sorts! but what should we do - send them back to hell?

It’s a point on the rate of acceptance to counter yours about sending people back.

We accept around 60% and faster processing will invite higher numbers.

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:08

@EasternStandard so we should stop accepting people who have a legitimate asylum claims? Really? Once they have been processed they can work and pay tax and all sorts! but what should we do - send them back to hell?

tiggergoesbounce · 26/06/2024 21:07

Rishi’s pledge to ‘tackle welfare’ followed up with his pledge to increase child benefit and the pension triple lock pissed me off so much that I had to pour myself a stiff drink. Such twattery

I got really annoyed when he was basically saying those claiming benefits because they are not fit to work need a higher level of proof to get signed off and get any benefits. I've watched family members who can't work due to disability be terrified already by the disgraceful, humiliating ways to prove their disability....it sickening already.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 21:06

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:03

No because people with no right to asylum will be sent back to their country - quicker - maybe if we let people claim asylum in Europe and agreed to take a reasonable percentage in line with the rest of the EU, of legitimate claimants, people wouldn;t need small boats - we have created a lot of the issues with our hard stance and our lack of funding for processing

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Acceptance rate for UK is high. High enough for people to see it as a good chance

It’s over 60% so high amount will be given asylum

Processing faster is an invitation to higher numbers

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:05

tiggergoesbounce · 26/06/2024 21:04

As opposed to putting them all on planes to Rwanda over the course of 300 years, apparently

And after the Rwanda plan was identified as taking 300 years to solve this issue - Rishi still keeps pushing it as a great idea - does he really think that people can't see through that.

There was something he said that got a big round of applause, was it that? I’m listening on the radio.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 26/06/2024 21:05

CurlewKate · 26/06/2024 20:58

@BeckyWithTheGoodHair010101 "Starmer said he was going to "process" immigrants."

As opposed to.,.,,,,?

They aren't being processed now. There is a massive backlog. It makes us very attractive to people smugglers

tiggergoesbounce · 26/06/2024 21:04

As opposed to putting them all on planes to Rwanda over the course of 300 years, apparently

And after the Rwanda plan was identified as taking 300 years to solve this issue - Rishi still keeps pushing it as a great idea - does he really think that people can't see through that.

WheresFluffy · 26/06/2024 21:04

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:03

‘Are you two really the best we’ve got?’

well quite.

I want that questioner as PM
He has my vote

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:03

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 21:01

Well yes we can process as fast as you like but it’ll just become more attractive to traffickers

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No because people with no right to asylum will be sent back to their country - quicker - maybe if we let people claim asylum in Europe and agreed to take a reasonable percentage in line with the rest of the EU, of legitimate claimants, people wouldn;t need small boats - we have created a lot of the issues with our hard stance and our lack of funding for processing

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:03

‘Are you two really the best we’ve got?’

well quite.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 26/06/2024 21:03

Why doesn't he mention his Dad owned the factory?
Because it's not true?

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:01

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 20:59

As opposed to putting them all on planes to Rwanda over the course of 300 years, apparently.

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as opposed to leaving people languishing in hotels with not right to work for 3+ years because you have damaged the home office immigration processing system so badly

Fizzadora · 26/06/2024 21:01

Why doesn't he mention his Dad owned the factory?
Not exactly like going down the pit is it, but you'd think so the way he bangs on about it.
It doesn't make him (or the other one whose Mum worked for the NHS) any more aware of what life is actually like for lots of ordinary people who live pay cheque to pay cheque or not even that in many cases.
Labour won't make things any better. It will just be same shit different day. They will shout a lot about how much they are doing for the little people but in reality they will just be better at covering up how much their rich mates are benefitting than the Conservatives, just like Blair & Brown were.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 21:01

CurlewKate · 26/06/2024 20:58

@BeckyWithTheGoodHair010101 "Starmer said he was going to "process" immigrants."

As opposed to.,.,,,,?

Well yes we can process as fast as you like but it’ll just become more attractive to traffickers

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:00

ghostyslovesheets · 26/06/2024 21:00

Yes! and I was very disappointed that Keir didn't point out that most benefit claimants are IN WORK!

Glad he mentioned careers though!

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Yes, he missed a trick there. And the Taliban madness above.