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Live debate? Protests

159 replies

Theordinary · 26/06/2024 20:28

What on earth is going on outside the university where the live debate is taking place? Sounds pretty crazy!

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MeinKraft · 26/06/2024 21:50

I was expecting Daisy May Cooper just then. Quite disappointed tbh.

Callipygion · 26/06/2024 21:49

DramaLlamaBangBang · 26/06/2024 20:56

What a stupid thing to say re the Taliban! Starmer should have pointed out the numbers of people that Rwanda have agreed to take- a miniscule amount- for a hefty chunk of money!

He did try, but Sunak was talking over him constantly, and it was hard to hear. The whole thing was a farce.

MeinKraft · 26/06/2024 21:48

Bloke from SNP is brave accusing other politicians of fraud!

Churchview · 26/06/2024 21:47

Hedgeoffressian · 26/06/2024 21:30

I’m not voting for Labour because I don’t agree with taxing pensioners who are already struggling to get by with higher food and utility bills. And I think women have a right to feel safe in public spaces. Why should that safety net be removed for the sake of not offending a minority.

Pensioners already pay tax under this Tory government on any earnings over the personal allowance limit. I'm a pensioner - I pay tax now.

Poolstream · 26/06/2024 21:44

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:39

On the subject of Tories and women, I have PTSD from an extremely abusive relationship which included years of stalking and harassment. I was unable to receive help from DV services because they were unable to take any new referrals. I’ve been on the NHS waiting list for EMDR for 18 months and recently had an assessment. The psychologist told me that despite the fact I am clearly in high need, unfortunately she cannot guarantee I will receive the therapy due to the laying off of psychologists within the trust and therefore priority must go to the most serious of cases. I can’t afford private EMDR as I’m on my knees as it is. This is all under the party that apparently puts women first. They don’t give a fuck.

And when Boris was mayor of London he shut the women’s refuges there.
Thatcher shut homeless shelters.

Tories don’t like the poor, the needy or the disabled.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 26/06/2024 21:44

Saying that lowering NI reduces pensions
The Tories have not clarified what will happen to the self employed in 30 years' time when suddenly they aren't entitled to a full state pension because they havent paid in enough. All they are doing is forcing the self employed not to rely on a state pension so any NI savings will he eaten up by a private pension contribution.

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:39

On the subject of Tories and women, I have PTSD from an extremely abusive relationship which included years of stalking and harassment. I was unable to receive help from DV services because they were unable to take any new referrals. I’ve been on the NHS waiting list for EMDR for 18 months and recently had an assessment. The psychologist told me that despite the fact I am clearly in high need, unfortunately she cannot guarantee I will receive the therapy due to the laying off of psychologists within the trust and therefore priority must go to the most serious of cases. I can’t afford private EMDR as I’m on my knees as it is. This is all under the party that apparently puts women first. They don’t give a fuck.

BingoMarieHeeler · 26/06/2024 21:39

WheresFluffy · 26/06/2024 20:34

It's doing my head in. As a tinnitus sufferer, it's distracting and massively annoying.

I mean, that’s pretty much the point isn’t it. That’s why they were doing it. It’s annoying and distracting for everyone regardless of tinnitus.

tiggergoesbounce · 26/06/2024 21:39

Women are way more risk of assault in their own homes than in public spaces tbh and we have unsafe policing levels under this government, and a benefits system that grinds women into such poverty that leaving when your husband is the main earner is almost impossible. Women and children are living in unsafe housing environments full of mould, often temporary housing. Women and children are unsafe sitting on waiting lists for years, or waiting hours or days (!) in A&E waiting rooms under the Tory government

The Tories do not care about the safety of women and children

Absolutely.,

Moonmelodies · 26/06/2024 21:39

If you're concerned about NHS waiting lists the last thing you should do is vote Labour. NHS Wales has over 30,000 people who have been waiting over two years for treatment, under their Labour administration. Yet plenty of money to hire 'Directors of Lived Experience' and no shortage of fancy rainbow flags.

Hedgeoffressian · 26/06/2024 21:39

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 21:35

Yeh you might be right, it won’t be great if they do

No it will be a brain drain. I expect a lot of businesses and high earners will do a runner.

MidnightMusing5 · 26/06/2024 21:37

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 26/06/2024 20:42

Pointless protest. What can govt do realistically. Advise the war stops to the Israeli govt. That's about it.

Maybe stop supplying arms to Israel??

Byronada · 26/06/2024 21:37

I keep wondering where Lammy is. He's been spectacularly invisible.

Hedgeoffressian · 26/06/2024 21:37

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:31

But you’re ok with disabled people and people in low-paid jobs being thrown under a bus?

Actually it was Richie’s government who introduced the largest ever cash increase to the minimum wage. Neither party have gone out of their way to help disabled people in their manifestos. However the conservatives have pledged to crack down on fraud and tighten up the assessment process which helps ensure there is enough funding for genuine claimants.

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 26/06/2024 21:37

MeinKraft · 26/06/2024 20:38

Keir has mentioned he ran the CPS, take a shot!

Next one when he tells us his dad was a toolmaker

Was his dad a toolmaker? He never said🤣

ru53 · 26/06/2024 21:36

Hedgeoffressian · 26/06/2024 21:31

If Labour get in I’m willing to bet a lot of people would jump on the next jet to California if they could afford it.

We are already losing a generation to Australia and Dubai as that young woman said.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 21:35

Hedgeoffressian · 26/06/2024 21:31

If Labour get in I’m willing to bet a lot of people would jump on the next jet to California if they could afford it.

Yeh you might be right, it won’t be great if they do

Poolstream · 26/06/2024 21:35

I wouldn’t want either of them as pm tbh.
However Starmer has come out with some absolute tosh tonight.

Saying that lowering NI reduces pensions and NHS funding is rubbish, NI and tax all go into one pot.
And getting a better deal with Europe absolutely will mean compromise on Freedom of Movement, Macron for one has stated that.
And people are not born with a gender, it’s sex!

Never voted conservative in my life, never will but I wouldn’t vote labour either.

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:32

It’s all Sunak’s got isn’t it, ‘cut taxes’.

anonymousmom · 26/06/2024 21:32

MeinKraft · 26/06/2024 21:25

Women are way more risk of assault in their own homes than in public spaces tbh and we have unsafe policing levels under this government, and a benefits system that grinds women into such poverty that leaving when your husband is the main earner is almost impossible. Women and children are living in unsafe housing environments full of mould, often temporary housing. Women and children are unsafe sitting on waiting lists for years, or waiting hours or days (!) in A&E waiting rooms under the Tory government.

The Tories do not care about the safety of women and children,

I completely agree with this, it's difficult to decide who's part of which is more important for the nhs, women and children. I want to make the right decision to protect my future as a women, financially and in regards to safety. But with an ill mom who claims benefits with no other option, she's worked her whole life till a nasty car crash, I'm struggling to decide

Hedgeoffressian · 26/06/2024 21:31

MeinKraft · 26/06/2024 21:30

Let's see if Rishi still loves the UK on 5th July, or if he will in fact be on the next private jet off to California to live the high life out there.

If Labour get in I’m willing to bet a lot of people would jump on the next jet to California if they could afford it.

tiggergoesbounce · 26/06/2024 21:31

I'm glad that labour have reiterated they will protect women only space.
I also like the point of leading by dividing- it will be interesting when labour get in, how they try to repair years of playing people off against each other.

Rishi talking about being honest - joke.

voiceofastar · 26/06/2024 21:31

Hedgeoffressian · 26/06/2024 21:30

I’m not voting for Labour because I don’t agree with taxing pensioners who are already struggling to get by with higher food and utility bills. And I think women have a right to feel safe in public spaces. Why should that safety net be removed for the sake of not offending a minority.

But you’re ok with disabled people and people in low-paid jobs being thrown under a bus?

MeinKraft · 26/06/2024 21:31

Hedgeoffressian · 26/06/2024 21:30

I’m not voting for Labour because I don’t agree with taxing pensioners who are already struggling to get by with higher food and utility bills. And I think women have a right to feel safe in public spaces. Why should that safety net be removed for the sake of not offending a minority.

Labour haven't got plans to remove single sex spaces...

BiggerBoat1 · 26/06/2024 21:30

MeinKraft · 26/06/2024 21:25

Women are way more risk of assault in their own homes than in public spaces tbh and we have unsafe policing levels under this government, and a benefits system that grinds women into such poverty that leaving when your husband is the main earner is almost impossible. Women and children are living in unsafe housing environments full of mould, often temporary housing. Women and children are unsafe sitting on waiting lists for years, or waiting hours or days (!) in A&E waiting rooms under the Tory government.

The Tories do not care about the safety of women and children,

Absolutely this.
Anyone thinking of voting Tory must be prepared to accept more of the shit show we’ve been living through. A vote for Tory is basically saying that the electorate is fine with the sleaze, the cronyism and the sheer bloody incompetence.